Legal Immigrants speaks out in Support of the Arizona Law

Gianina - posted on 07/21/2010 ( 117 moms have responded )

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I am glad and proud for this family in support of the Arizona Law.

As an immigrant, I did exactly what this family did in order to come here legally.

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Gianina - posted on 08/02/2010

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As I said many months ago, in a different topic.
When I applied for citizenship, I felt naked without my 'green card'. I really wanted to know 'how will the cops/law abiding citizen know that I am LEGALLY here?
They really need to at least add 'citizen', 'work visa', 'legal resident' in driver's license. THAT would solve the whole problem.

Gianina - posted on 08/03/2010

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Gosh, I hope you're right Pamela because he hasn't impressed the AZ folks.

I selected the phrase 'bad apples' because I am not one to use such terrible words. Yes, we all have 'bad apples' in ourselves. I have a short story to share with all of you.

An old Cherokee was teaching his grandchildren about life. He said to them, "A battle is raging inside me ... it is a terrible fight between two wolves. One wolf represents fear, anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority and ego. The other stands for joy, peace, love, hope, sharing, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, friendship, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

The old man fixed the children with a firm stare. "This same fight is going on inside you, and inside every other person, too."

They thought about it for a minute and then one child asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"

The old Cherokee replied: "The one you feed."

LaCi - posted on 08/02/2010

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"You ladies, especially Laci Who and even Laura Cooke, are the true trouble makers. So, please stop this childish behavior and stick to the main topic."

I'd love to know how being disgusted by the fact that someone compared an entire group of people to cockroaches is being a trouble maker. Really, enlighten me. Go for it. Republicans are like disease infested rats, spreading hatred like the plague. Wait, is that an insulting statement?

Gianina - posted on 08/02/2010

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Ladies, I have seen these type of 'word' exchanges in other topics. I don't understand why you ladies, especially Laci Who, can't get pass the word , like roaches, Nazi. Look at the bigger picture of what Kat expressing of WHAT SHE WITNESS.
I am surprised that the administrator didn't block you out. Because in my view, you're trying to stir up a 'fight' which cause others to do double time to 'clarify' to the point of fighting with you. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPEN WITH DIANE.
You ladies, especially Laci Who and even Laura Cooke, are the true trouble makers. So, please stop this childish behavior and stick to the main topic.

My recommendation to Diane and Kat, is to ignore these ladies and stick to the topic.

The bottom line here is that Kat expressed what she sees in her area and understood Diane's frustration of the lack of security from the GOVERNMENT.

Once again, I am proud that these people (from the video) came out and expressed their support. I SUPPORT THE AZ LAW...and yes, that means that they may go ahead and stop me if I did something unlawful.

Remember that I created this topic and I expect some 'mature' discussion. If you can't handle that then by all mean, go to the next topic. THANK YOU

LaCi - posted on 08/02/2010

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Chimichangas originated in the US.

Still disgusted by the comparison of illegal immigrants to roaches. I don't think anything more needs to be said about that though, other than the fact that it's a disgusting statement.

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Wendy - posted on 12/27/2012

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Exactly! I have met eastern and westeren illegals who get away with so much yet my legal Latin (before marriage) gets the evil eye and rude attitude from obviously ignorant people. We rise above it and our beautiful children are being raised to be pleasant well behaved people with good sense of humour.

Gianina - posted on 08/06/2010

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OH I agree Krista that there are 'power-hungry cops' out there. I think it's the 'recruiting' for police jobs should be revised.

I heard on a radio talk show, a female police officer in AZ, described how there are few police that can speak Spanish and the fact that it's hard to recruit those who knows spanish because of their profile/personality issues, especially when recruiting military trained.. She said that she would rather fight along a military guy than those who are still wet behind the ears.

Krista - posted on 08/06/2010

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I guess I'm just a cynic, but every police department receives training in what they can and can't do.

It still doesn't stop some (not all, but some) of them from grossly abusing their power, though.

And I suppose that's what worries me the most. Like someone said on another thread, when you implement laws, you can't look at how it would be enforced by well-meaning, kind cops. You have to think, "Okay, so if we've got a power-hungry jerk of a cop, ARE there any loopholes or vague bits in this law that could allow them to legally get away with violating someone's human or constitutional rights?"

If the answer is yes, then the law needs to be revised so that it is airtight and could in no way, shape or form legally allow for a citizens' rights to be violated.

Gianina - posted on 08/06/2010

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You really think legals' would be harassed?? I have my doubts on that, especially after I saw CNN video on police depts describing their trainings, 'what and what they can't do'. There was more to the video.

Has part of the AZ law been impliment yet?? Wonder how that is going?

Isobel - posted on 08/06/2010

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No, they can't help it...but they can just ID people who have already been caught breaking the law...instead of harassing legal immigrants who happen to be Hispanic.

Gianina - posted on 08/06/2010

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But Laura, AZ can't help the fact that hispanic is the majority over there because Mexico is right next to it.
As a filipina, I found CA having a larger population of Filipinos, while FLA with Cubans. AZ and other States can't help it. Right??

Isobel - posted on 08/05/2010

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I've said it many times...I have no problem with people being asked for proof of citizenship AFTER they have been stopped for an infraction of the law...

I have a problem with a law that encourages police to stop people for no other reason than WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES

In Arizona, how many illegal aliens are not hispanic? I don't understand why you guys don't understand that being hispanic becomes logical reason for suspicion of being an illegal alien.

Kelly - posted on 08/05/2010

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That is the issue though Krista. Read it again:

......where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person.

Nowhere does it say "only when stopping Mexicans" follow these rules. If a cop stops someone who only speaks vietnamese, and they don't have a drivers license, that would be reasonable suspicion to try to figure out who this person is. If someone is hit by another at a stoplight, and they don't have DL, registration or an insurance card, reasonable suspicion exists even if they DO speak english. If a complaint is called in about vagrants on a corner, the cops have the right to ask those vagrants for ID. If they can't show any, that is suspicious.

Here is the rub: In America, if you are legally stopped by a cop, you are ALWAYS asked for proof of status in the form of a drivers license or state ID card. If you don't have one, that is suspicious. You are either trying to hide something (warrant, etc.) or you are illegal. In Arizona, and in many other states in order to get a drivers license you have to show proof of citizenship.

So this IS a blanket rule over everyone. The facts are that a majority of the illegals in Arizona will be Mexican because of the proximity of the borders. But that doesn't mean that all hispanic looking people are now going to be interrogated. And of course officers are allowed to use discretion. They can give a warning instead of a ticket, they can choose to not immediately arrest someone with a warrant depending on the situation. If someone doesn't have their ID and has a logical explanation, they probably won't be hauled down to a holding cell.

There has been so much hype about this law and absolute fear mongering it is ridiculous. What the Feds NEED to be doing is not turning a blind eye on the sanctuary cities that are brazenly breaking federal law, instead of picking on Arizonans who are merely trying to enforce federal law.

Isobel - posted on 08/05/2010

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and not carrying your papers is a crime in itself...when did Arizona become communist Russia?

Isobel - posted on 08/05/2010

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WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES



Being Hispanic is reasonable grounds for suspicion that a person is an illegal alien...therefore you can be stopped FOR BEING HISPANIC!



it does not say after they are stopped for something else...please find me that quote.

Krista - posted on 08/05/2010

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For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person."

That doesn't sound to me like everybody, across-the-board is asked to show ID. I'm reading that as it being up to the officer's discretion as to whether or not they inquire as to one's immigration status.

If they applied a blanket rule that EVERYBODY is asked for proof of status when legally stopped by a cop, well, it would still be rather reminiscent of the Eastern Bloc...BUT it would be fair. It would not single out any particular ethnic group and hence, would not be unconstitutional.

Kelly - posted on 08/05/2010

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I didn't say profiling was right but for there to be an outcry that Hispanics are the only people profiled is ridiculous. And people you need to read clearly into the bill...it states that a person must be pulled over for a traffic or other offense before being asked for their papers. (And it clearly states that there must be evidence on the reason for a stop). When people are stopped, regardless of skin color, they are asked for ID...all persons ID are ran in the system...an ID can be your DL or Immigration Documents. And it is the law that EVERYONE carry a form of ID...immigrant or not you can be fined and or arrested for violating the law. As far as voting....this bill was written just for Arizona by the elected officials here. This was not written by the federal government. So if people in Arizona are unhappy with Arizona laws and the officials who draft them then they should use their right to vote and get these people out of office! This bill being partially passed could have been avoided when it was introduced and the citizens of Arizona were given the right to read this bill and vote yes or no on it. If people were so opposed to it they could have voted and it never would have been passed. You can not sit by idle then cry after the fact.

Krista - posted on 08/05/2010

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As far as it goes for profiling...my husband is African American...he has been profiled almost his whole life...hispanics are not the only ones targeted.

So does that make it right?

And if you are here legally..what do you care if a police officer asks for your immigration papers? Show them and be on your way.

Sure, if you don't mind your country resembling Communist Europe. But if I was an American citizen with brown skin, and you stop me for speeding and ask to see my immigration status, then you'd DAMN well better make it a policy to ask EVERY speeder, regardless of skin colour, for their immigration papers. Because otherwise, you would be violating my Constitutional rights.

Yes, there is a problem with illegal immigration in Arizona. I don't think too many people are denying that.

But if you think that the answer is to chip away at your own Constitution and the principles upon which your country was founded...well, there's an expression about spite, noses and faces that comes to mind.

Isobel - posted on 08/05/2010

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You don't get to vote on what is constitutional...that's what the Supreme Court is for.

And you don't need to read the whole bill if you know how to read the one section that says you can arrest people without a warrant based on the suspicion that they are illegal aliens, and it would now be illegal for them to be caught without papers.

Yes, that means you can arrest people of Mexican decent, without a warrant, for not carrying their papers. and that's unconstitutional.

Kelly - posted on 08/05/2010

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I live in AZ and in the county where the sheriff is getting a lot of slack for this law. People are jumping to conclusions without reading the entire SB 1070. If people want to come to this country that is great, it is a wonderful one to live in, but you need to come legally! And not bring illegal activity into this country. If you say you are trying to come here to better your life, why are you smuggling drugs? Why are you killing the farmers whose land you are illegally on as you are sneaking in? As far as it goes for profiling...my husband is African American...he has been profiled almost his whole life...hispanics are not the only ones targeted. And if you are here legally..what do you care if a police officer asks for your immigration papers? Show them and be on your way.... As for putting a bounty on the sheriffs head (there is currently a $1M bounty from a drug cartel in Mexico on Sheriff Arpaio)...he didn't write the bill...he will enforce it as it his his job. Everyone who has anything to do with this law are elected officials. If you do not like what they are doing...VOTE!

Jenny - posted on 08/04/2010

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@Gianina Jennie, I must say, you're quite interesting... you embrace your Commie views. Why and which view guides your life??? I'm really curious. Hope it's not a touchy subject.

Not at all. I believe we live more efficiently if we contribute to a group. When we pool resources for our neccesities it comes out better for everyone involved over the every man for themselves mentality. Capitalism, and the encouragement of consumerism, is the most wasteful system there is.

We've never seen true Communism as it has no government. My preference for governing is Direct Democracy. It is where the citizens use technology to decide what is important to them and how they will manage it. Making all the decisions that directly affect you. We have everything we need, except for the will, to achieve it right now.

Isobel - posted on 08/04/2010

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yup, I have NO problem with demanding a law-breaker prove their citizenship. What I DO have a problem with is demanding that citizens prove their citizenship because they look a certain way.

Krista - posted on 08/04/2010

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I don't think the issue is necessarily with laws or I.D.s. I think it's with enforcement.

If you have a national ID, then under what circumstances are officials allowed to ask to see that ID? If ID is automatically requested of ALL people if they are caught in violation of a law, then that seems fair enough, because it's across-the-board and has nothing to do with race. But under what other circumstances would authorities be able to ask for that ID, and how do you arrange it so that you are not specifically singling out people based solely on their ethnicity, which would violate the constitutional rights of citizens who just happen to also belong to that ethnic group?

Rosie - posted on 08/04/2010

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can i go back off topic, lol?!! when i was doing research to back up my argument that vaccines don't cause autism (my oldest boy has high funcitoning autism, i don't believe vaccines caused his "problem" either :)) i found and article that said they did find a child with autism in the amish community. i'll have to dig to find it cause it was a while ago.

ok, back to the arguing, lol!!!!

Gianina - posted on 08/04/2010

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no apology needed. ;)

I just watched the news few days ago.. it was one of the focus group that Frank Luntz put together. He had AZ residents that discuss the importance of the AZ law (including some legal immigrants). Many all agreed that there should be a 'national ID'. What do you all think about that idea?

Gianina - posted on 08/04/2010

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we're doing fine...he is now 21, and yes, there are some aggression due to anxiety, frustration but I managed using the methods that works best for him....especially in communication.

We have never considered Vaccines as the cause because if so, then don't you think that my other two boys should have been diagnosed as well. But I do agree about testing the over-processed foods and pesticides too. Now a days, many families are growing their own veggies.

Thanks for the interest though.

Isobel - posted on 08/04/2010

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I read an article a little while ago that said they had proved it wasn't the vaccines, but to be honest, I'm curious why they haven't done testing to find out about a link between over-processed foods and pesticides as well as looking at vaccines.

It's obvious that something in the way we live has changed for the worse. There are just soooo many cases of allergies and autism these days.

I wish you and your son the best :)

I hope they figure it out

Gianina - posted on 08/04/2010

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I agree with you Laura. I would think they would accept treatment to save one of their own famiy members, especially the children.

You know, my youngest son has autism, and I recall reading an article where they did a research if there were any autistic children within the Amish community. I do recall that there were no findings of any types of disablities. The original research was to determine if Vacines caused Autism. Now, the article was way back in the 90s., so it's possible that there are other research findings.

Isobel - posted on 08/04/2010

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I'm pretty sure that Amish is like Orthodox Mennonite.

Mennonites are pacifists...turn the other cheek at any cost, while the Amish also choose to live "simply" away from technology and modern life.

Interestingly, they don't necessarily always shun technology though, if one of their members needs a life saving treatment from a hospital, they will take it (I think).

Gianina - posted on 08/04/2010

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Hey, great discussion. Totally agree with you Pamela about not wanting to go back to the Wild Wild West and the Laws that promote order and common good. I wished that could be applied within the federal law as well. Do you agree that laws are set to protect the individuals (people) as well? I mean it should, isn't that why we have Laws in the first place?

OH Kati, that is so sad. I was told that Amish didn't socialize with the Mennonites because of their differences. Am I right on this, Mennonites accepts modern technology and work side-by-side with us? Mennonites are much more forgiving than Amish??

Laura, I agree that Amish follows God's Law, but which one? Catholic, Lutherans, Baptist or Methodiest ?? I have always wanted to know that.

Jennie, I must say, you're quite interesting... you embrace your Commie views. Why and which view guides your life??? I'm really curious. Hope it's not a touchy subject.

Isobel - posted on 08/03/2010

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One of my best friends is a Mennonite :) I have found her and her family to be nothing but peace-loving and accepting of differences ♥

Jenny - posted on 08/03/2010

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My dad's side of the family are Mennonite, must be where my Commie tendencies come from.

Pamela - posted on 08/03/2010

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That's really sad. Because the Amish and the Mennonite aren't all that stinking different. Sometimes us people are just messed up.

Rosie - posted on 08/03/2010

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yeah, i'm not too big into the amish laws-they aren't that much good either. my grandmother was amish, my grandfather mennonite. my grandmother was shunned for marrying my grandpa. she had 1 sisterand 1 brother that kept in contact with her throughout her life, the rest of her family didn't even show up at her funeral. all this because she fell in love with the most sinfree man i have ever met. gah!! nothing works in this world i tell ya!

Pamela - posted on 08/03/2010

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There are the laws that promote order and the common good. They protect us (sometimes from ourselves as well as for others?). I am in no way against law and order. I for one am not in any way interested in going back to the Wild Wild West.

The Amish are an interesting group. They do have their own laws and rules of governance - interestingly I believe many of their laws are geared heavily towards things like "common good" and community which is pretty biblical. They take care of their own within their communities and remain separate from the modern world (there are degrees of that separation of course - depending on which Amish group one is a part of).

Gianina - posted on 08/03/2010

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OH don't get me wrong Mary Elizabeth, Laura and Pamela. I totally agree what you all are saying. I, myself would determine who is good and who is bad. And yes, there are corruption within the government/corporations.

What I meant in regards to 'bad apples' are those who breaks the law, goes to jail, etc... committing crimes.

Whoever creates the law, don't we all have to follow the set laws where we live?? Let's take driving, for example: Without the Rules/Laws, do we then create our own lane when driving on the highway?? Do we ignore the 'red' light and cross our fingers that we don't get hit??

I must admit, it's quite facinating to think about. Earth without Laws. No government or corporations to have power over the people.

Hey wait a minute, what about the Amish?? They don't have to follow the law, only when they are on government property like the streets, right?? But surely, even the Amish has some standards, or expectation among the Amish community.

Very interesting... I may have to ponder on this.

Isobel - posted on 08/03/2010

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and Pamela is right, the corporations have FAR more power than the government or the lawmakers in our society today.

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sorry Pamela, I meant to answer your question too. You asked "Who determines the bad apples from the good ones?"

Whoever creates the LAW !!

-I am able to determine this for myself...I don't need lawmakers (or anyone else) to tell me who is "good" and who is "bad"...

Pamela - posted on 08/03/2010

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Gianina - that is actually one of my favorite stories. Because it really speaks truth.

I however dislike it when the people in power get to define everything. ;oP Because often, who they decide are the bad apples are not. Often, the people in power are the bad apples. And by people in power, I don't necessarily mean government (though that can certainly be applicable there). The people who are truly in power are the corporations.

Krista - posted on 08/03/2010

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LaCi, if you're talking about the cockroach thing, please just let it go. Those who agree that it was an awful comment already agree. And those who don't agree are likely not going to be persuaded, so we might as well move on, okay?

Gianina - posted on 08/03/2010

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Sorry Laci Who.. but it seems that who ever replies to you just ends up in a big fight. I rather ignore your true comments and just make a light of it. Enough said.

LaCi - posted on 08/03/2010

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Gianina, I'd love it if rather than addressing a joke of a comment you would address my real comment.

Gianina - posted on 08/03/2010

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sorry Pamela, I meant to answer your question too. You asked "Who determines the bad apples from the good ones?"

Whoever creates the LAW !!

Kelly - posted on 08/02/2010

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"I heard that the soldiers are coming home, perhaps now there will be enough to have a decent presence at the border."

There is a catch there Laura...... even if it is true, and they are coming home, the President has to order the military troops to the border. Probably NOT going to happen under the current leadership. Just sayin.

Pamela - posted on 08/02/2010

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When things get too serious, there's always Kombucha! Drink some and the world will bet rosier. And if that doesn't work, have a beer or a lovely merlot:o)

Even the bad apples have a name and are a part of all of us. And who's a bad apple? Who determines the bad apples from the good ones?

Actually my grandparents had their own island off the Birch Island area in Canada. It was seriously sweet. Of course we had to adhere to Canadian law.

Isobel - posted on 08/02/2010

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I heard that the soldiers are coming home, perhaps now there will be enough to have a decent presence at the border.

Gianina - posted on 08/02/2010

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So what do we do with the bad apples in this EARTH?? I'm real interested to know your thoughts

Regardless where you live, in a world, island, or even another planet, there will be certain rules/laws implimented. Just look within this group.. Krista E did create Rules for the debate group.

OK, Laci Who, lets say that you have your own island?? You will create rules/laws in your own island, especially if you need people to do labor work.

Which by the way, my own brothers bought 2 islands and they have to follow the Philippine law specifically for islands.

LaCi - posted on 08/02/2010

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Fuck that. I don't want to unite with these people anymore :)

I want my own island. Citizen of nothing.

Pamela - posted on 08/02/2010

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I'm going to start singing now! We are the World, we are the children, we are the ones to make a better way so let's start giving...(I'm singing. Right now).

Jenny - posted on 08/02/2010

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We are citizens of Earth and it's the ONLY citizenship that matters.

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