Do you shop at Walmart?

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I don't shop at Walmart anymore. And I feel guilty that I ever did. After learning how unethical and immoral their business tactics are I have a really difficult time even walking in there. This decision is very new to me and makes quite a difference in the way we shop. I was just wondering if anyone else feels the same way??

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It’s great reading everyone’s opinions on this matter.



I would like to share why I don’t shop at Walmart. It’s not because of the way they treat their employees or their customer service. It’s not the cleanliness of their stores or their “rollback” prices. I don’t shop at Walmart because of their business practices towards their suppliers.

Have you ever wondered WHY prices are lower at Walmart? Do you REALLY think it’s because you brought your cart back to the small gated area? It’s because THEY paid a lower price for them so they can sell them to you for a lower price. Big deal, right? Well, it IS a big deal.

Imagine yourself starting a business selling an item that you have invented. It’s a great item! Everybody wants it and Walmart has offered you a contract!!!!! What could be better?! Walmart has offered to buy your product for $15/item and is selling it for $34. That’s not bad. You’re still making a tonne and you could never sell as many as Walmart does. Now Walmart has sold out of your product and they’re back for more, but this time they offer you $12/item. Well, they do take pride in their rollbacks and people like that so you sign an extended contract. They sell out again. This time they offer you $6/item and that’s their final offer. You can barely make the product for that price, but you signed a contract so you really have no choice. The next time you walk into Walmart you notice that your product IS on rollback. No longer is it $34 an item. It’s now only $33.49. So, they cut back your profit by 60% so they could lower their price by fifty cents. How much money are you bringing home to your family now? I bet you might even go under. Well…..that’s Walmart for you! :)

I’m sorry, but I will shop somewhere else, pay a dollar or two more, and know that I am at least giving some of my money to the person that made the product. Especially, because that person is probably in some third world country struggling to keep their family alive. I think they deserve to get paid. Don’t you??

(Clearly, these are not actual numbers.)

Jenn - posted on 08/23/2010

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Sorry Buffy, not trying to attack at all, just discussing what was mentioned. Lots of companies get bought out by other companies - it happens all the time. A demand for lower prices really doesn't come from the company as much as it does from us - the consumers. We want more crap for less money, and we'll go wherever we have to to get it. (Speaking in general terms of the majority of the population of the western world.)

Barbara - posted on 10/01/2010

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I don't want my family income going to any of those big box stores. Typically, if we can't find it at an ethical local business we can do without whatever it is.
There just comes a point when you have to put your foot down and say no. They can't get away with all the stuff they have been getting away with just because they have low price tags. Somewhere, someone is paying for it. We're all paying, really, whether we realize it or not.

Jenn - posted on 08/23/2010

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I agree with Cori - these other companies CHOOSE to lower their standards and/or prices for WalMart - nobody is holding a gun to their head. If Huffy made top of the line bikes and was doing well, why change that? Because they thought they could sell an ass-load of bikes and they got greedy - bottom line. And since when is Rubbermaid out of business? They're not.

Naomi - posted on 08/10/2010

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A few months ago, I read a book called "The Motherhood Manifesto" (HIGHLY recommend this book!). It contained an interesting fact: in 2004, the CEO of Wal-Mart brought home over $23 million in profits, while the employees at Wal-Mart barely make a livable wage (forcing many to be on public assistance to help provide for their families). It disgusted me so much that I don't shop at Wal-Mart unless it's an absolute necessity.

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i wish i knew more about what ur talking about about it being unethical and immoral. how are they being unethical and immoral? just curious. were a family for 4 and walmart is the only place I can buy food, clothes medicine and anything else we need for real cheap! If we didnt have walmart idk how we would survive!

Tahlia - posted on 10/12/2010

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Wow thats so wrong. To be honest i only go there when im in a big hurry to get something quick but usually its out of my way so i dont go. Thank you for posting this its good to know.

Ticia - posted on 10/07/2010

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i only try to go there as a last resort we changed to k-mart ..i really like all the girlsclothes an stuff they have anyway an id just go to the market for the food stuff..i watches something on tv about wal-mart an it just blew my mind how they screw there employees an make so many small town shops go outta buisness when they come into the town..everyone has diff opions but i really try not to go there!!!

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OMG! See, this why these forums can be so helpful. I do shop at Walmart......we have 1 salary and 3 kids to clothe, feed and buy gifts for. But I had no idea that they have some unethical business practices, or treated their employees so bad. I will have to do some more research into this. I live in Canada and I don't know if they have better practices up here with regards to wages, etc., but I certainly don't want my money going to support sweat shops. Wow, this will be tough because I live in a small town and there is no other option unless I want to drive into the city. thanks for the info everyone.

Christine - posted on 10/07/2010

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i used to work there and not a penny left walmart its a mothers home away from home. Cuz i know thats about all i get to do

Alejandra - posted on 10/01/2010

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I love Wal-Mart. I don't know if you'll think I'm messed up but I love their prices and the fact that you can find almost anything at a Wal-Mart. Its a lot more convenient. Target is great but more expensive. I love them both but I visit a Wal-Mart at least 3 to 4 times a month.

Amanda - posted on 09/23/2010

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I worked for walmart as well. And if I had a choice I wouldn't shop there. But I just moved to a new area and I haven't been able to find a target. I know how you feel, though.

Joleen - posted on 09/23/2010

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We have no finacial choice but to patially shop at Walmart. Our routine is to hit Aldi's first, then the grocery store for produce (other wise it won't last till the next trip into town), and last Walmart. Each Walmart is different. We shop in the town closest to us and that Walmart is horrid, we always leave missing at least one (out of stock) item that was on our shopping list. After several months of multiple items never being stocked we went to a different walmart in a town the opposite direction from our home, we were very pleased with that walmart ( when comparing it to the other one), I wish it were the closer one.
My mom has worked at a walmart for many years now, and is actually make good money (compared to min. wage), however it has become obvious to her that they are trying to get rid of her. She said many people that she has know to work there for many years, and had better pay because of it, are getting their hours cut "because business is slow", ironically new employees were hired at min. wage to cover there hours. They also shift the better payed employees around and move their hours all over hoping to get them to quit, some have.
People need the jobs, so have no choice but to work at places such as walmart. Walmart knows this and therefore can get away with treating their employees badly. When a person is treated badly their job performance goes down. This becomes evident to the public, making the public unhappy with their service. Walmart also knows many people have no choice or are just careful with their money and will continue shopping there for the low prices, and therefore will do nothing to better the situation, but instead take advantage of it.

ASHA - posted on 09/03/2010

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I know walmart has bad business practices and they take advantage of their employees and operate sweat shops in China so i am embarassed to say that yes; i do shop at walmart because despite everything bad they do; they still have low prices compared to Target, Kroger and all the other grocery stores. My family lives on a limited income and with everything being so expensive; i cant afford to buy my kids clothes at the mall or target but walmart has affordable stuff and its the one place i know i can shop without breaking the bank.

Kristi - posted on 09/03/2010

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Hi Liz,

I have been laid off since April of 2009. My husband's income by itself qualifies us for many state and federal programs as well. Unfortunately, even on a poverty level income, he still makes too much in our state to qualify the kids for Medicaid. I shell out $400 a month for my insurance and the kids, leaving very little for anything else. I can certainly understand your hardship. That said, it has nothing to do with my earlier statements. I said, "Wouldn't it be a great experience to provide this information in an educational format to the bulk of Walmart customers in a way they could understand and relate to? In our neighborhood, many of their customers are immigrants and low-income families who have a hard time comprehending the importance of these things on a large scale." I am not bashing anyone. If you keep patronizing Walmart, you contribute to the overall problem. That is a fact, not a judgment. So if you keep doing it, there must be something you are not understanding that keeps you in your place. Walmart counts on that. Part of what Walmart relies on are low-income families of employees spending their hard-earned dollars at their stores because they perceive that they could not possibly afford to shop anywhere else. I know many otherwise-intelligent families that have been brain-washed by targeted marketing to believe this too. I am guessing that's where you and I are standing at the line. What I would like to educate people about, is the how-to-afford it part. I don't see how this is an assault on anyone's intelligence, just their way of survival. There are certainly alternatives to Walmart and that's what I'm getting at. I would say that a mom of four has enough to do without a job outside the home on top of that. That, of course, is only my personal opinion, but on a Walmart salary, how would you ever be able to afford to work??? With that said, I wish the best for your family and hope you find easier times ahead.

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Well said Jenn. I don't think theres any reason for Wal-Mart employees to need a union. You should only make minimum wage if you stand at a door greeting people, and where I live Wal-Mart starts you at a $1 over for any simple position like that and wage minimum wage went up so did every ones pay. They also give incentive bonuses which is more then I can say for most jobs.

Kristi-Just because they are immigrants or low income families what makes you think they don't comprehend. I have a family of 6 and for the last 2 years have survived on less then what most people pay for rent or a mortgage payment. After my rent gets paid I have to juggle bills because theres only enough left to pay car insurance, one utility and fill my car up with gas. I rely on food stamps to feed my children right now because there is no work here and by the end of the month my husband and I don't eat more then once a day to ensure our kids never go without. So before you start bashing peoples intelligence maybe you should consider the that no matter what a company may do, my families well being is my priority. I would give anything for a job right now, even at Wal-Mart.

Buffy - posted on 09/02/2010

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Actually, it's written about in 2000 in Jacksonville, TX, in 2003 in Calgary, and in 2005 in Quebec, all similar incidents. However, I lived in Reno in 1995 when the butcher shop in the local Walmart closed, and that was the reason I was given, back then. I haven't found anything about it, but have found information about several other incidents. Quebec wasn't the first, and likely won't be the last.

Kristi, your personal story seems very interesting. Thanks for sharing some of it. I live in the Maine woods and have always taught my kids that if they want to eat meat, they should know where it comes from, and be willing to participate in the process to some degree. As a result, I have a carnivorous son who is more than happy to do so, and a vegetarian daughter.

Jenn, this has nothing to do with our discussion, but I do coincidentally live seven hours from Quebec (And St. John, New Brunswick). It's one of my family's favorite weekend vacation spots, and we do love that it's like a foreign country - which to us, it is. We also love Nova Scotia, but that has a much less foreign feel to it. It's a lovely country, as is our own.

Jenn - posted on 09/02/2010

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@Buffy - slight misinformation. They didn't want to form a union because of being treated badly - they in fact DID form a union, but that store (which was located in Quebec and for those who don't know Quebec can sometimes almost seem like another country and is VERY different from the rest of Canada) had lousy numbers and the whole store closed. That was 5 years ago not 15. And personally I can't blame WalMart for not wanting unions. I think most places that have unions have highly over paid workers - just think of recent history and the car manufacturers!!!!! Why on earth does someone who stands all day running a machine need to make the equivalent of $75 an hour! That's just absurd and is why the big auto makers went kaput!!

Kristi - posted on 09/02/2010

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Wouldn't it be a great experience to provide this information in an educational format to the bulk of Walmart customers in a way they could understand and relate to? In our neighborhood, many of their customers are immigrants and low-income families who have a hard time comprehending the importance of these things on a large scale. With respect to the veal argument, I attended Washington State University for awhile and was part of the veterinary program there. One of my jobs was to work at the university dairy on the nightshift where I got to fall in love taking care of the calves. Having heard about veal crates, this was one place that I was able to experience first-hand the feeling of animals depending on us for humane treatment. Yes, some dairy farms choose to provide calves for veal, but those who are adamant about humane conditions for their farm animals do not provide veal calves. Male calves are raised for regular meat on pasture at farms where the conditions matter. My meat comes from farms where they matter. One of the first places I had to take classes was in a slaughterhouse. It's not the most appealing place to be, but I think every meat-eater should have to do it. Having done that, it makes me realize the importance of humane treatment for animals that are raised for food. Good producers understand that bad conditions and sloppy slaughter = unhealthy meat. A good slaughterhouse is fastidious about conditions, cares about it's practices, and ends animal life with care and dignity in as quick and painless a manner as possible. I don't eat veal, and I try to educate those who do what happens to the calves before it arrives on their plate. Again, I sleep well at night.

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I buy my meat, milk and produce locally. It is not certified organic, but I can see the conditions for myself, and I am happy with the way the animals are treated, and the fertilizers and repellents used (most are pretty much organic, but getting that seal is difficult and expensive....so the prices would go up).

Anyway, that's not what bothers me, the 2 big things that bother me are their systematic approach to eliminating competition and destroying small businesses, and their employees' high dependency on tax payer funds to maintain a decent standard of living.

I explained the small business thing in an earlier post, so I'll just go over the public assistance part. Walmart management is trained to encourage employees to apply for government healthcare programs instead of for their own company sponsored plan. They explain to employees that if they are paid $X/ hour they will qualify for Medicaid (in America), and take home a higher amount than if they made $2 more per hour and signed up for the company healthplan. This not only save the company $$ on payroll and insurance costs, but it discourages employees from wanting raises. NOT FAIR any way you look at it.
Walmart has more employees on Foodstamps and Federal & State healthcare programs than any other employer. They are the biggest, yes, but they also have the highest percentage of their own employees on these programs than any other company. While walmart has, at any point in time, just under 50% of their employees receiving public assistance, the ENTIRE Small business sector of the economy has less than 20% of their employees on public assistance, and makes up an even smaller percentage of the national population on public assistance. Technically, you many be paying less at the register, but you are paying more for those products because your taxes are supporting those employees, not just your purchases.

Buffy - posted on 09/02/2010

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I don't see a connection if she is purchasing her milk and beef locally. I assure you my source for beef - which again, I don't eat more than once a month or so - is not raising veal, and the group of farmers who make our organic milk are not raising beef critters at all, but milk critters.

As for how employees are treated in Canada, I can't tell you currently, as I don't know any employees there personally; but I can tell you that the butchers in Canadian WalMarts were treated so badly that they attempted to form a union, and in retaliation, all the butcher shops in the US and Canada were closed. That was the first indication, in 1995, that WalMart might not be the best place to be spending my money. My family doesn't eat pork, and we'd used WalMart's butchers as a source of beef sausages and bacon. It was a wonderful convenience. Then one day, the entire section was gone. When I asked why, I learned that Canadian employees were treated very badly. I was disappointed that it happened, but have always supported unions, and kept this in mind. When my sister approached me with her personal issues (they took a penny from her over her actual checkout price every single transaction, and rather than forgetting about it, she stood in line at Customer Service to point it out and get her penny back each and every time, then saved the receipts in a manilla envelope for months to show friends what they were doing - I will grant you many stores now do this, it's another way to take millions from shoppers every year without anyone noticing), I was more than happy to "sign on" to her petition, vowing not to shop there for one year, and to talk five friends into the same. We all made that promise in 1998, and after that year, the thirteen or so of us who made that promise never became WalMart shoppers again. We have lots of friends who still shop there, and it's not an issue that's discussed. But it amazes me that after all these years, they complain to me about certain practices and experiences, and then just keep shopping there. I don't say anything, since as I've said before, it's not the issue that I am willing to fight for, but it does make me wonder why they keep going back, and confirms my decision not to.

Jenn - posted on 09/02/2010

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Well, I'm not in the USA - I'm in Canada - and the employees are paid what they're worth and treated just fine. As for milk - some could argue it is still an ethically immoral thing to drink it - the milk industry is tied to the veal industry. Anyway, just making a point.

Kristi - posted on 09/01/2010

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Back @ Jenn... Yes, it's hard sometimes, but we do everything we can to make sure we buy from responsible companies with respect to manufacturing and marketing. I do research which companies do business responsibly and ethically, and then I stick with them. If I can't afford their stuff new, I buy it second-hand. We do eat meat, eggs and drink milk. I buy from local farms at our farmers market so I don't have to worry about horrible conditions and the ensuing problems like the salmonella outbreak from the Iowa factory farms we are hearing about this week. I often buy meat from local people that raise animals on their land and stock it up in the freezer. Many of our friends and neighbors keep chickens in their own suburban backyards and we enjoy fresh eggs from them when we can. Our milk is available at local markets, and it's local organic milk from a dairy that you can visit anytime. If I don't know where it came from or how it was treated, I don't eat or drink it. As to Walmart paying your local people what they are worth, I can guarantee they don't pay them anymore than they pay other people in the country - which is not enough, nevermind the inhuman treatment (based on benefits and advancement). Maybe they should raise their expectations! I mean that in the kindest way. I live just outside of Seattle in a normal suburban neighborhood that has all of the regular big-box stores. I just choose not to purchase much of what I buy there, and when I do, it's from product lines that are verifiably "safe". We are most definitely on a budget, and I agree with Buffy, we make many of our decisions based on the right thing to do vs. what's convenient or cheap. Walmart is not like other stores. It is by far the worst, and flies in the face of political correctness. It aims to remain the worst. It systematically harms American small businesses. If you care about your family and other families, you would not shop there. When you vote with your paycheck, Walmart will change their ways, but not until then. So I do blame them Jenn. And any other company who chooses to emulate their horrific business practices.

Buffy - posted on 09/01/2010

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I don't know about Kristi's habits, but I buy my meat, eggs, and milk - and produce - from farms right here in my own town. Mostly organic, but all locally grown. In addition, I don't eat meat more than once or twice a month, especially in the summertime. My family is not wealthy, we don't even get to say we make it into what is left of the middle class. But we still make decisions based on much more than our pocketbook.

Jenn - posted on 09/01/2010

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@Kristi - there's a lot of things that I do in my life that affect other - like shopping at WalMart, and eating meat, eggs, and drinking milk. WalMart around here doesn't treat their employees poorly or pay them less than they are worth. As for supporting child labour etc., so do most stores these days - Made In China - it's on a lot of crap that we buy from places like Zellers, WalMart, Target, Dollar Stores (any one of the many that exist), Home Hardware, Canadian Tire, etc., etc. The list could go on and on. It isn't just WalMart that is involved in supporting this type of thing. That doesn't make it OK, I'm just saying you can't blame 1 store when most stores out there are all the same! Now back to the meat/eggs - do you still eat meat/eggs/milk knowing that it's involved in animal cruelty? Knowing that information, shouldn't you stop? Just making a point.

Ruth - posted on 08/31/2010

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i am alone and unmarried who have three hearing boys i love to go walmart for shoping whatever or wherever i want to buy first priopoity what we need but i did not buy silly things

Kristi - posted on 08/31/2010

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I am just curious about the families that are still shopping at Walmart. Does it just not matter to you that the company causes harm to others (great harm!)? It's nice that you find "good deals" and all, but are you still going to shop there now that you know better? This is a company that has no morals at all with respect to families living in poverty, sweatshops, child labor, keeping women from advancement in the workplace, need I go on??? It's just seems to me that if you didn't know all this, okay that's one thing... but now?? If you keep shopping there, aren't you just saying that those things are okay with you? Just wondering...

Kristi - posted on 08/31/2010

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Good for you Britney! Walmart is really a corporate villain, and if moms out there care at all about anyone other than themselves, they will NOT shop there for anything. I do realize how many people feel like they don't have an option because it might be the only chain store in their town. My husband's family lives in Billings, and every time we visit they go there for everything. Drives me nuts. Honestly, no one HAS to shop there... it's merely a habit driven by what they perceive as convenience. There really is no excuse anymore with everything being available online. People can join co-ops and grow their own produce too at p-patches or home gardens. It's not hard. It just takes getting started. Our family weaned ourselves off Sams Club (a Costco-style warehouse owned by Walmart). I understand how hard that can be. They had the cheapest gas in town! I found alternatives, and you can too. Walking away from that garbage is the only way people will cause stores like Walmart to change their practices.

Christina - posted on 08/28/2010

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I don't sop Walmart, i find the prices to be a bit high. I shop Target, they seem to have better prices on Gerber Foods and Huggies. Sorry Walmart!!

Pierrette - posted on 08/26/2010

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Didn't know about Wal-Mart being like this but you can bet I won't be shopping there any more now that I do know thanks for the info.

Holly - posted on 08/25/2010

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everyone i know, even family worked at wal-mart and i hear nothing but bad things about that place.. my wal-mart is like the only one in our city other then other counties. i live by wal-mart and sometimes when we are little on money, there soap and shampoos are cheaper then other stores. i hate going there but only place to go! they have changed the inside of the store, feels like a maze and everything is all in different places! and not only that, the ppl that goes there are crazy! i really dont like criticizing about how ppl are but there attitude and how they treat each other is out of line! there is also a lot of chaos in the parking lot.. most of this happens at night, thank god!!! but i just feel out of place being there and there employees are not helpful at all!!! my fiance almost worked there but when they said he was hired and another job hired him, he instead picked the other then wal-mart! i have a friend that works there, at night! and he hates it to death!!! im not all about how they changed the inside and ppls attitude but the bad thing about that store is they dont keep up with there fruits and veggis. you can see everything else is in good shape but the healthy stuff is all yuck!

Nina - posted on 08/24/2010

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I DO NOT shop at Walmart! In fact we try and stay away from sweatshops, too! Anything made in China and a lot of other places. Check out http://www.fairlabor.org/ This website has a list of stores who have a third party (fairlabour) check out their factories to make sure that there is no child labour and that employees get a fair wage. We don't live in the US, but when we come to the US to shop we go to target and in Canada we go to Superstore, which is Walmart's competitor!

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I have to say, political affiliation really doesn't have anything to do with this topic--I am a conservative republican, so I disagree with Buffy's political views, but she is completely right about walmart. They hurt local economies in a plethora of ways--far too many to mention hear, but she's covered the bulk of the more serious ones.
They DO force companies out of business. Manufacturers ARE forced to sell to walmart because walmart is the biggest retailer in the world, and not dealing with them is equally disastrous as dealing with them for a smaller company.

On a more local level, walmart looks at surrounding businesses when they build their new stores. They will price products sold by the smaller stores significantly lower than the smaller stores can possibly price them. They can afford to do so by marking up prices on products not provided in those stores, or by simply taking a lose for the first year or so, as the other stores provide enough profit to carry the new store until it has successfully run the surrounding businesses out of business. Once the competition is gone, the prices on those products rise while they advertise lowering the prices on the products that were marked up in the first place. We have seen this done in 3 walmarts build near our town.

As for the bad press about Target's political party donations, walmart does the same....so I don't see the argument.

Walmart requires management to attend MANDATORY Anti-Union meetings to actively discourage their employees from organizing.

I also agree somewhat with Buffy on the idea that employees should be ever greatful that wlamart hired them. walmart should be equally greatful that these people came to work for them--yes, walmart is paying them, but without the employees, walmart would have no $$ to pay with. It is a balance, and walmart abuses it.


Again, I feel very sorry for those of you who live in places walmart has already destroyed leaving you with little or no other choice. I hope that those of you who still have a choice in where to shop in your towns will learn from these battered communities.

Buffy - posted on 08/24/2010

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That's fine, and I don't feel personally offended. When I don't have a personal or emotional stake in the issue (as I'm not concerned whether others shop there or not, no matter what I think of the company personally), no one has the power to offend me or hurt my feelings. It's just that I spend my days in political strategy and debate, and wasn't looking for that on here. I don't enjoy conversations in which no one is going to provide anyone with further insight or information, and the same opinions just get voiced over and over again.

For instance, no, as a small business owner I don't believe my employees should feel gratitude toward me for hiring them, just as I don't believe Walmart employees should feel gratitude toward Walmart. Employment is an agreement between two parties - one to provide a service to the other, and one to provide what can be agreed upon as fair compensation for the service. I would never seek to take advantage of my employees by cutting their pay or other benefits, simply because the economy is bad and they have few other choices, and I don't think Walmart should either. But they do. I would never presume that my business is the most important thing in my employee's lives and that I can therefore dictate their hours without taking their needs into consideration. While my business is our family's primary income, it's not even the most important thing in my own life, so how on earth can I expect it to be in someone else's? While at work, however, I expect 100% of my employees, as mine is a customer service job, and I depend on the satisfaction of each and every customer to sustain my company. I expect courtesy, smiles, helpfulness, and a job performed thoroughly. And in my line of business, that is certainly not easy. I know it takes an effort on the part of my employees, and I appreciate it when I find someone mature enough and willing to do it. I own a rubbish removal company, and when you are standing there with maggots on your feet because a customer didn't tie their bags, and left animals to get into it because they didn't put a lid on the container, it's very difficult to smile at that customer as they walk out the door with a question for you. But I do it and I expect my employees to do it. And I expect to compensate them well for it. We all know what kind of people those in the retail industry have to deal with on a minute by minute basis, and I believe they should be well compensated as well. The need for a job on one person's part should not be the opportunity for exploitation on another's.

That being said, I know there are many people who don't agree with me, and no amount of discussion is going to change their minds. I'm okay with that and fully understand it, but I'm just not at a place any more where I even feel the need to have others hear my opinion on the matter. When I was younger, I had a need for everyone to agree with me, or to be right when I thought I was right. I totally don't have that need any longer, and it can feel like an effort even to articulate my opinion of an employee/employer relationship. So I just don't feel like this is a forum in which I can be of much help to others, or which will yield much satisfaction for me.

I suppose I could choose other threads, more directly related to child-rearing, perhaps, as I am fortunate to have a little aptitude in that, but this seemed like a simple enough thread on which to make my first contribution. But since it's not a pleasant experience, I'm not sure I feel encouraged to look for other threads. Thanks for trying to clear it up for me, however. I appreciate your effort.

Jenn - posted on 08/24/2010

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Buffy, you are taking this far too personal. Nobody was attacking you at all - we were merely discussing some points brought up. I'm sorry you feel offended. I know I did not feel that way and was simply trying to dig deeper into the information given. Nobody implied that you were the type to be picketing in front of the store LOL! And I'm not sure if you were referring to myself - but I don't even really know what a republican is - I'm not American. Anyway, nobody is offended, attacking, OR wasting their time. Simply discussing the topics that are raised.

Nikkole - posted on 08/23/2010

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i do bc it is in are town and the next store like meijers is 30mins away, and im not going the the little store in town bc im not paying 4 dollars for milk

Buffy - posted on 08/23/2010

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I don't understand this line of questioning. one person asked what tactics effected people's decisions not to shop there. I answered her question. I don't know if it affected her opinion or decision to use them in the future or not, and I really don't care. I just offered her information she requested. I seriously am not interested in arguing with every republican on this site. I am a political activist, but I pick my fights. I don't stand in front of Walmart and picket, hoping to encourage people not to shop there. It doesn't interest me. And I don't care to argue with people whose minds are not going to be changed with my efforts. I'm not trying to change your minds, and I wish you would stop antagonizing me simply because you don't agree with me. I don't give a damn whether employees, truckers, or manufacturers are clamoring to work with Walmart, and what you think of them. I certainly don't mean to be insulting, but I can't seem to make my point here. This conversation bores me. I have already requested to be unsubscribed from this site, and these types of conversations don't appear to be productive to me, and certainly don't seem to be helping stay at home moms with anything. I'm sure you'll all want to tell me you have the right to voice your opinions, and you certainly do. Go ahead, but I can't imagine you think you'll change my mind, so I suggest you not waste your time.

Gail - posted on 08/23/2010

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Is someone holding a gun to the employees' heads making them work there? Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying.

Cori - posted on 08/23/2010

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Buffy,
It's not my intention to insult you personally or your political beliefs, but it's quite obvious where you are on the political spectrum by your comments. You seem like a perfectly nice woman to me. It's not that I disrespect the office of the president, but clearly our current president does by appearing on late night tv and talk shows like The View. Obama is bastardizing the once respectful office of the presidency by appearing on frivolous, un-newsworthy talk shows like Paris Hilton, merely to feed his own narcissism.

Karen - posted on 08/23/2010

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Walmart is not my first choice i shop mostly at Zellers (Canadian) for convenience its closest. I have however shopped at wally's the staff always seemed helpful and polite. The layout wasn't the greatest very congested not pleasant but i've never been in a chain store that wasn't. I've never heard of Target. Sound like a nice place to shop.

Chelsey - posted on 08/23/2010

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My husband is an orderfiller for Wal-Mart; so we get a discount there. We shop there, and love it :)

Beth - posted on 08/23/2010

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I shop at Walmart about once a week. Sorry you all have had bad experiences there, but the people I have encountered have all been great! I like that they are non-union and believe that people should not be so ungrateful to their employers. I know this is not a popular opinion among you ladies, but it is how feel about it. I also shop at Sams Club about once a month & have known several people who worked there. They are retail stores... I've worked at a few in my lifetime, they have to put the needs of their company first.... that's how they stay in business. Also, there are mean people everywhere in the world... it's a part of life.

Ronni - posted on 08/23/2010

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I have to shop at Walmart. My family is on a very tight budget and it is the closest to my home. I am appalled by how they treat their employees. I also have to say the store in my hometown is very clean and the employees (as bad as they have it) are the most helpful, friendly, and knowledgeable.

Buffy - posted on 08/23/2010

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They restructured and were bought out about twelve years ago or so. I am not asking you to form your opinion on what I said. Someone asked what kind of practices affected my own decision. Make of the information what you will. It is nothing to me at all. I'm not on a crusade to get people not to shop there, and haven't mentioned much about it to anyone in a dozen years, not even my own personal friends who choose to shop there.

Buffy - posted on 08/22/2010

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I don't watch television, and I don't get my information from unreliable sources. And I don't believe companies can afford not to do business with what I understand is the largest retailer in the nation at this time, whether it is bad for their business in the end or not. I'm not here to argue, have no interest in that at all, and certainly not with someone who calls the president names. I voted for him and am not entirely thrilled with everything about his administration. But regardless of that, I would never have called George Bush names to a perfect stranger on the internet. While I had no respect for the man, I do have respect for the office, and would make an effort to be respectful to the person with whom I was talking by not offending her, not knowing her political beliefs or feelings.

Cori - posted on 08/22/2010

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Buffy, where did you get this information?? The Crappy News Network (CNN)? It sounds to me like Huffy put themselves out if business by lowering their standards and complying with bad business practices. The Walmart Corp. didn't force Huffy to comply; they chose to. Walmart is GREAT for the economy and encourages healthy competition amongst businesses. If their rules were unreasonable then employees and truckers alike would refuse to comply. In this horrible economy created by the Oblunder administration, Walmart's low prices are essential for survival!

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I keep seeing a lot of posts about how cheaply made things are at wal-mart. Brands they offer are the one thing that is consistent with all their stores and I have never had a problem with poor quality. My kids live in hand me downs, most of them are from wal-mart, and they are in great shape after going through 2 or 3 children. Some keeps saying shop local, our income would have to be 4 times what it is now. Where I live the Target is horrible, there is never anyone around to help, the return policy sucks, and even though they have some really cute stuff, it's expensive. I also don't like Target because I have never seen a Toys for Tots bin or a name tree in the store. I also wanted to add, most local businesses put huge mark ups on the same items you can find at wal-mart and they don't care about your pocket book. And it still all made in China. They employ a lot of people and without wal-mart this country would have a lot more more people losing their homes and everything else like so many others already have. Thats what kept my family from going completely under while my husband was out of work for 9 months. So just like a few others have said some of you could maybe focus on the good things they do. By the way my local wal-mart allows local businesses to sell products in there store for no cost on fundraisers and very small cost for local farmers. Most other businesses want a huge kick back that these small local farmers can't afford.

Cheryl - posted on 08/22/2010

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I am sorry to hear you are going through such a rough time, My husband and I owned our own Mortgage and Real Estate business for 11 years. We did very well. Unfortunately 3 years ago due to the economy we were forced to close our office. It was not a slow progression it happened over night with no income coming in over night. We sat at home for 16 months with no income coming in, We interview I lost count after 3 weeks. To hear, you are over qualified, I made to much money etc. My husband and I at that point decided to take charge of our selves and never rely on anyone every again. We started our own home based business and love every minute. Sometimes you just have to realize a total stranger can provide wisdom and a safety net. Don't lose faith.

Eunis - posted on 08/22/2010

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I shop at Walmart and i enjoy it. I'm a mother of 5 kids. Walmart is one of the cheapest store in tx for food and clothing next to goodwill. Everyone is looking at all the bad things but honestly Walmart has done some good. I do like Target but its to expensive, diapers are cheaper at Walmart especially when you have 3 kids on diapers you need to go where you can stretch every penny.

Nicole - posted on 08/22/2010

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I don't mind shopping at wal-mart for some things. I know that I for sure won't be buying a cake from there anymore. I ordered a spongebob cake for my daughter's 8th birthday and thought that it turned out gorgeous until it came time to eat it. We found the corner of the frosting thing in it and a piece of hair. I was so disgusted after that. They thankfully gave me my money back, but that shouldn't of happened to begin with. I don't understand how you can get the tip in the cake batter when that is for frosting and you don't do that until after the cake is cooled down. The only thing that I really get from there anymore are things for my cat or chinchilla. They do have some cute clothes for girls, but when it come to a boy there isn't crap there. I have found some cute things there, but that have fallen apart after the first wash. I am by far a Target, K-Mart, and Kohl's shopper. I will go to other stores as well, but try to avoid wal-mart as much as I can.

Nicole - posted on 08/22/2010

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I shop at wal-mart for certain things. If I can afford to buy it somewhere else then I will. I am a big target shopper and love getting a lot of stuff from there. Wal-mart does have cute clothes, but there has been a lot of times that I will buy something from there and after the first washing it fell apart. I had got a birthday cake from there for my daughter's 8th birthday and it turned out gorgeous, but wasn't so gorgeous when we started eating it. We found the corner of the tip for the frosting bag in there and a piece of hair. I was so disgusted after that. I WILL NOT buy a cake from there again. The only things that I really get from there anymore is my cat stuff and some things for my kids. I have never realized how they treated their employees. That is just horrible. They keep that up and they aren't going to have a business.

Buffy - posted on 08/22/2010

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As if everything I mentioned were not enough to keep me from setting foot in there, they are bad for the trucking industry as well. They have such rigid rules about timing on unloading trucks at their docking bays, that truckers have to show up way earlier than they should, and then just wait around for hours (we know time is money, and they are sitting around not making money elsewhere) until it's their turn to unload, because if they are fifteen seconds late, they are refused and they can't unload, keeping them from making their next connection and hauling their next load. Walmart has lobbied to allow truckers to drive longer hours on our highways in order to get to their stores when they want them there, making drivers all over the country less safe driving with overtired truckers on the roads.

Buffy - posted on 08/22/2010

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There are many things that Walmart does that do not support their employees, but they are also terrible for the whole world economy. I stopped shopping there when I learned that they make partnerships with suppliers that kill the partner companies, then they toss them aside and move on to the next company. They put Rubbermaid, Huffy (bikes), Zenith (t.v.s) and a bra company whose name I can't recall, along with hundreds of other "Made in America" American companies, out of business with their tactics. They cut the prices in the stores, they force the supplier to cut the price Walmart pays them - Walmart never ever cuts its own profit in order to bring customers low prices, only the manufacturer/supplier's. In the case of Huffy, Huffy was a well-known American bike maker. They had several lines of products that they made for several different distributors and retailers, from low/medium end, to a special high-end bike they sold to real bicycling enthusiasts. Walmart approached them to make a low/low end bike for them. Huffy retooled a small handful of their machines to make this low end bike, keeping several other machines available for their other lines. Then, once they got that setup going, and had already forgone some of their other outlets for selling some of their other bikes, Walmart insisted they cut their cost to Walmart, and increased the number of bikes they wanted. Instead of saying no - as Walmart was the number one retailer fifteen years ago, and they thought the contract was important - they retooled a couple more machines to make the bikes, knowing they had to make that many more to make the same profit they'd already been getting - since they had to cut their price and profit on the bikes they were currently supplying Walmart. This practice continued and continued, until Huffy found themselves dropping all other lines, selling their design for their top end bike to another manufacturer, and dedicating all manufacturing to their Walmart line. When it continued further, they found themselves working people longer hours, and then eventually laying people off that they could no longer afford because Walmart kept making them charge lower and lower prices to them for the bikes. In the end, Walmart drove Huffy out of business, along with the other companies I named. Their practice is the same with all of them. And this is how they bring you lower prices, while maintaining their unreasonably high profit margin. And this is why they use Chinese manufacturers now, because they destroyed all the American companies they dealt with (and continue to do so, with companies like Levi's at this time). They drive retailers out of business on Main Street, and they drive manufacturers out of business behind the scenes. And they still employ practices listed in this thread of only putting 100 of their products at lower prices, of abusing employees - locking them into buildings, forcing them (in more rural communities where employment options are limited) to work 24 hour shifts, paying too low a wage for employees to afford the healthcare insurance Walmart touts it makes available to their employees, and shutting down entire departments (butcher) who attempt to organize into a union to stop the abuses. You think of it, Walmart does it. Bad for manufacturers, retailers, employees, and customers.

Rebekah - posted on 08/21/2010

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NO!! I only go, if I absolutely have to, and then I ALWAYS regret it!! NO NO NO

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