lil boy just not sleeping

Kimberley - posted on 01/04/2010 ( 14 moms have responded )

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my son just will not sleep i have tryed dream feeds, night milk, bath time b4 bed, putting him in his cot and just letting him cry, rocking him, patting him but he just dont want 2 sleep at all

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Emily - posted on 02/05/2010

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i agree that a routine is definitely helpful - for sleep, activities, feeding, etc. Try lots of physical activities, take him to the local YMCA for child programs and kid time. I know there are a lot of opinions on this, but how about a pacifier? I also just started using this excellent night light from www.goodnitelite.com that's a timer for when a child sleeps/stays in bed and gets up. My daughter took to it right away.

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My son has insomnia and your little one may have it too. My son's insomnia is "unexplained" meaning they don't know exactly what causes it, but we do know that he has shorter sleep cycles than most kids.
You need to take him to a sleep specialist and have a sleep study done. They will watch him for several hours (usually 12-24 for the 1st one) and record his sleep cycles when he is asleep. They can learn A LOT with these studies.
You will need to keep a sleep journal for at least 3 weeks--record the time when you lay him down, when he falls asleep, and when he wakes up, for every day.
Also, kids emit the "growth hormones" when they are asleep. If your child is sleep deprived, he will be in the lowest percentiles--Jake is usually in the 2-3rd percentiles for height & weight, but now that he is sleeping better, he is consistently in the 4th percentile :) A HUGE relief to us!
Jake had insomnia since birth--it was discovered in the hospital when he was born. Has your son had it all his life or is it a more recent development? Has he lost a lot of weight or displayed changes in his personality?

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Elizabeth - posted on 02/05/2010

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Hi Kimberely, You must be exhausted, so must your lad! Check out www.saveoursleep.com Tizzie Hall's book. Did wonders for me. Jaxon is 15 months old and uses a pacifier at the moment. (not recommened in the book, but works for me for the time being). Should give you a bench mark and if you need help there is access to online advice. Sleep journal for a week or so would be useful before looking at getting any professional help. Wishing you all the best and don't be afraid to ask for help. Sleep deprovation for mum can mess with your head.

Celina - posted on 01/04/2010

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My son wouldn't sleep much at that age either, we weren't doing anything wrong, just turned out that he wasn't tired, he had energy to boot. We had to wear him out so that he would sleep, try lots of physical and mental activities and see if that helps. He didn't have sleeps during the day either, he didn't cry though, he just wasn't tired.

Jennifer - posted on 01/04/2010

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your not on own i have a 13 month old n a health vistor suggested my son was waking up for attention n to give him a hour in the morning n an hour in the afternoon then bath bottle n story at nite then lay him down n say nothing everytime he cries after tht just lie him bk down n do tht til his alseep. n every time he wakes repeat. tht worked for about a week. we am on our 3rd week he sleeps about an hour aday. goes to bed k at 7 sleeps all the way til 2am n like clock work he wont go bk to sleep til 6am for an hr. sum days he wil go to bed at 3am n wake at 4am so trust me i know wht ur going through. the only advice is do wht u think is best. try to give him a long 2 hr nap at 2pm if he dont want one before tht n makesure he very active in the day aswell so he wil sleep in the day

Amanda - posted on 01/04/2010

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I think you need a second opinion from Dr personally...that is not enough sleep at all for a 1 year old...I hope you can figure out a new routine and new sleep - so you can get more sleep too! :) good luck!

Kimberley - posted on 01/04/2010

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thanks Amanda Drover but i pritty much tryed all of what you have said and i been to helth vistor and she just said iam being silly he must sleep more then that but its not just me that has seen him do this all my family have thanks for helping any way x

Kimberley - posted on 01/04/2010

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dream feeds are were you give them milk when they do the sucking movement with there face and are still asleep and yet still drink.

1) nap for 15mis in the day at about 12

2) he eats 3 meals a day nad has milk hes a piggy bless him but his last meal is at 6-7pm ish depending on him

3) i have tryed to put him down at diffrent times but still only 2 naps in the night what ever time both about 20 mins

Amanda - posted on 01/04/2010

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"he is almost 1 and he has one nap of 15 mins in the day then about 2 naps of 20 mins in the night"

Ok I just saw that

#1 that is NO ENOUGH sleep for a 1 year old.

Guidelines:
9 month old 11 hours at night + 3 hours in day = 14 hours
12 months old 11.5 hours at night + 2.5 hours in day = 14 hours

So your little boy should be having 2.5 hours of sleep during the day. Most babies break that up into 2 naps by that age. Maybe 3. And then sleeping about 11-12 hours at night.

One of the reasons why he may not be sleeping at night is because he's overtired...try to make a new routine.

If he wakes up around 7am for example. then he should be having a nap around 9am or 930am for about 1 hour or 1.5 hours.

Then another nap in the afternoon around 2pm or 230pm for another hour or so.

then getting ready for bed about 7pm, bath, snack (I give my son who is 9 months old some rice crackers called Mum mums and a bottle before bed) reading a book, or singing a song, calming activities...and then asleep by 8pm.

then should sleep for about 10-12 hours at night...so waking up around 6am - 8am...

Try that out - feeding him at the same times every day will help to make a sleep routine as well :)

Good luck!

Amanda - posted on 01/04/2010

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What are dream feeds?

#1 what time does he take nap and for how long during the day?
#2 what times does he eat?
#3 what time do you put him to bed?

Kimberley - posted on 01/04/2010

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he is almost 1 and he has one nap of 15 mins in the day then about 2 naps of 20 mins in the night

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