why dont my daughter sleep?

Nicky - posted on 04/07/2010 ( 18 moms have responded )

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my 2yr old goes to bed at 7pm sleeps for 2 hours thenb gets bup and wont go backb to sleep. i've tried everything i can think of. even keeping her up late then putting her to bed but even that dont help. any suggestions?

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Skye - posted on 04/23/2010

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i have a 20 month old with the same problem! i'm going to try some of these suggestions. fingers crossed they'll work!!! :-)

Susi - posted on 04/20/2010

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My oldest daughter (now 5) did this at 2 years old. She'd sleep a bit then want to be up. I let her be up. I know she was still tired, but an hour or so of playing and she went right back to sleep.. for the night. Now my younest is doing this too. It is a phase and it WILL PASS.

Netty - posted on 04/19/2010

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Hi Nicky- I would suggest the book "Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child" by Weissbluth It is a little odd in its layout, but he helps parents understand how important sleep is to a childs' overall health and informs of the growing research that supports how critical sleep is for development(and contentment) and ability to do well in school. A huge myth is that witholding sleep during the day will make them tired out and sleep better at night. This is not true!! Sleep begets sleep and we have seen this play out with our 2yo and our daycare center teachers and numerous friends have dispelled the "tire them out" method.
Our 2 yo sleeps 11-12 hours at night and take a 2-2.5 hour nap in the early afternoon(at daycare) The three days she is home with me, she will often take a late morning nap for a couple hours and maybe still have a 1 hour afternoon nap or at least a 'quiet time' in her crib. She is a very happy girl, has expected 2 yo tantrums and we recognize each child has their own temperment. But, it is very clear when her tantrums are typical and when they are a sign that she is tired and needs to go down for a nap.
The book mentioned above lays out plans for sleep deprived kids and what I like about the book is that is suggests three levels of training for infants-from the soothing until they are asleep to the let them cry it out method, so you can do what works for you. I have to say, I couldn't do the cry it out method, when she was little, but we found after she turned 1 year, we had to let her cry it out a few times as we were going into her room 2-3 times a night...When we are getting her to bed before she is exhausted, she protests very little and often will happily get into be. When she is over-tired, when we've kept her up too late, it is always a battle royale!
Best of luck to you-it will take a little time to get her reset, but so important for all of you!

Melissa - posted on 04/19/2010

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Ok so i posted some advice but then I read your post:
"thank you for the advise, but i have done all that. she has a very strict routine and dont have any food or drinks after half 5, she dont have naps during the day any more. i put her straight back to bed, dont say any thing or make eye contact, yet she still dont sleep. health visitir is sending me to the sleep clinic to see if they can help."

I've been thinking about some factors that may also contribute to her sleep problems.
I have 3 kids so I'm talking from experience.

What time is she waking up? My 2 year old wakes up at 7:30am and then back to sleep around 1:30pm for a nap. Some need long naps others need a short nap. My daughter sleeps for 2 hours and like i said in my previous post i have to wake her up or else she wont go to bed at night.

From WebMD: http://www.webmd.com/parenting/guide/sle...
1-3 Years Old: 12 - 14 hours per day

As your child moves past the first year toward 18-21 months of age he will likely lose his morning nap and nap only once a day. While toddlers need up to 14 hours a day of sleep, they typically get only about 10.

Most children from about 21 to 36 months of age still need one nap a day, which may range from one to three and a half hours long. They typically go to bed between 7 and 9 p.m. and wake up between 6 and 8 a.m.


How much sugar is she consuming during the day?
http://kidshealth.org/parent/food/genera...
Instead of soda or juice drinks (which often contain as much added sugar as soft drinks), offer kids low-fat milk, water, or 100% fruit juice. Although there's no added sugar in 100% fruit juice, the calories from the natural sugars found in fruit juice can add up. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommends limiting juice intake to 4–6 ounces (118–177 milliliters) for children under 7 years old, and no more than 8–12 ounces (237–355 milliliters) of juice for older kids and teens.

If you find she keeps asking for juice just give her a little bit at a time and make sure the total is only 4-6oz.

Whole grains, fruits and veggies will keep her off the juice too.

Make sure she gets lots of opportunity to exercise her mind and body
http://kidshealth.org/parent/fitness/gen...
How Much Exercise Is Enough?
Parents need to ensure that their kids get enough exercise. So, how much is enough? All kids 2 years and older should get at least 60 minutes of moderate to vigorous exercise on most, preferably all, days of the week.

The National Association for Sport and Physical Education (NASPE) offers expanded activity guidelines for infants, toddlers and preschoolers:

Age
Minimum Daily Activity
Comments

Infant
No specific requirements
Physical activity should encourage motor development

Toddler
1½ hours
30 minutes planned physical activity AND 60 minutes unstructured physical activity (free play)

Preschooler
2 hours
60 minutes planned physical activity AND 60 minutes unstructured physical activity (free play)

School age
1 hour or more
Break up into bouts of 15 minutes or more


Infants and young children should not be inactive for prolonged periods of time — no more than 1 hour unless they're sleeping. And school-age children should not be inactive for periods longer than 2 hours


Also a life event or change in your 2 year old's life can cause sleep problems.
Did a family member move out? Change in your work schedule? Move from crib to bed?
Any change can upset your child's routine.

Hope these questions can help you sort out what's going on with your daughter.

Melissa - posted on 04/19/2010

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My 2 yr old goes for a nap in the afternoon but i wake her up by 3:30 or 4pm. Then bedtime is at 8. So if you still want your daughter to go to bed at 7 then try having a nap right after lunch then wake her up at 3pm then back to bed at 7pm. Try rearranging her schedule.

Julie - posted on 04/19/2010

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i think she still needs a nap in the afternoon she is using bed at 7 pm as a nap try getting her a nap in the early afternoon after lunch, i go to the park or swimming something tireing in the morning, then lunch and a nap and start again in the afternoon also try putting your child down a little later i pushed it to 7.45 8pm when i had this problem hope it works whatever you decicde stick to it for at least 2 weeks good luck x

Harini - posted on 04/19/2010

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Jennifur, I have the same issue with my 2 year old. She sleeps in our bed and i have to break her of this habit soon as i am expecting my second baby in 20 weeks! Not sure what to do as I work in the day and feel guilty about being away from her, so I let her be close to me at night. But now her sleep disturbances wake us up a lot and i am a wreck!

Jennifur - posted on 04/18/2010

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my lil girl is a year old and she wont sleep unless shes touching me
i have been alone with ehr and her sister for 8 months now and i tell yas is difficult to sleep with the two babies they are very clingy and need to touch me for some reason and im trying to break them of it but its hard i am out of ideas as well

Lee - posted on 04/18/2010

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Hi, I hope the sleep clinic goes well. please let me know how it goes. I cannot offer any real advice. My eldest daughter we stuck to the strict routine and it worked really well. No problems, it was like she read the same books so she knew what to do. My now 3 year old, nothing has worked with her, she still gets up and down all night long, we have done sleep clinic here in melbourne australia 3 times and still nothing works. She is on a waiting list to see a sleep specialist, they say her brain may not be shutting down properly so she never goes into a deep sleep. I have tried everything myself, we have the strictest routine and every night i pray she will just sleep though, so I really hope you get this sorted for your daughter as it only gets harder. Please let us all know what happens, you may just find the answers I am looking for. Best wishes and good luck

Crystal - posted on 04/18/2010

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My son will be two on the first, and has a strict routine but I encourage at least a nap early in the afternoon, and sometimes he sneaks in two. Too few naps and he'll be up half the night, especially if he's busy. With him, putting him back to bed without talking doesn't work. So the nights when he's up anyway we let him have his stuffed toys and a few blocks. He plays by the nightlight, one of those Twilight Turtles and when it goes off he always puts himself back to bed. There's light from a streetlight coming in too so he can see well enough. For some reason, it seems the turtle is a timer on those nights. I hope things have worked out!

Kelly - posted on 04/18/2010

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I just saw this posting today so I apologize for the late reply. Hopefully things have gotten better! One thing I did want to mention, something I have been told is that, as strange as it may sound, sometimes young children not having a nap may actually cause sleep problems like that. Even though they should be exhausted, they are actually to over tired. Hope that things get or have become better!

Nicky - posted on 04/08/2010

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thank you for the advise, but i have done all that. she has a very strict routine and dont have any food or drinks after half 5, she dont have naps during the day any more. i put her straight back to bed, dont say any thing or make eye contact, yet she still dont sleep. health visitir is sending me to the sleep clinic to see if they can help.

Louise - posted on 04/08/2010

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Erica you are 100% correct it is all about routine with small children. I have a routine with my daughter and as long as we stick to it she will sleep any where. Wind down time, bath and then bed. No fuss. If she wakes during the night which is very rare I go in cover her up no eye contact no speaking and leave again. She settles straight away.

Erica - posted on 04/07/2010

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When my daughter was 2 she didn't like to sleep either. I suggest that you keep a routine for bedtime so that she'll know what to expect. Also, so that she gets mentally ready for sleeping. Another thing is to have a wind-down activity like bath or reading nightly in case she's overstimulated or high-strung. Also, it's probably better that if possible she sleeps alone in her own bed. That way, she won't wake up looking for anyone or she won't miss it if you have to get out of the bed. Also, you should try to avoid any caffeinated foods or drinks, sugary snacks, or sweets a few hours before bedtime. And, make sure that she's not getting too many naps during the day. Lastly, when it's bedtime set the house up for bed keeping it dark (not necessarily totally) and quiet. Sometimes kids want to be up when they think they're missing something. I know when my daughter would wake up in the middle of the night I would keep the t.v. off and never turn the lights on. I also put her right back into the bed and avoided any talking. Hopefully, this helps.

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