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Sadie - posted on 05/20/2009 ( 52 moms have responded )

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my baby is 5 months, i have been weaning for 3 weeks as baby seemed hungrier every few hours. this is his routine



8am - small amount of cereal + bottle of 8 oz (can leave 2-3oz)

12pm - small amount of veg + bottle of 8 oz (can leave 2-3oz)

4pm - small amount of veg (same as at 12) + bottle of 8oz (can leave 2-3oz)

8pm - bottle before bed of 8 oz (sometimes has all but can leave 2-3oz)

he still wakes up around 2-3am for a bottle but only really has 4oz



should i try and reduce the night feed amount as i think its just comfort then offer him water instead of milk?



plus is he drinking enough milk?

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Cindy - posted on 05/30/2009

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I guess the word "starve was taken out of context." DON'T switch out the night bottle of milk with water. Your baby needs the nutrients. If he will drink let him drink.

Mel - posted on 05/22/2009

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if the baby is at a good weight then it most likely doesnt matter if they have the solids after, i have seen a baby a really chubby one have solids only at lunch time after her milk until she was about 8 months all she had was a bit of pumpkin a day yet she was so much bigger then mine. technically your supposed to do it before though so their tummy isnt full and especially if bay has problems with reflux or anything they say it helps keep the milk down if the stomach is lined with food. i dont feed mine for 30 minutes - if i did she would be sitting in that pram for a good hour and a half as her milk does a little under an hour. i give her food about 5-15 mins before

Sadie - posted on 05/22/2009

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i didnt know about the 30 mins thing i might try that. like i say mum knows best and if my baby is happy having solids then milk but leaving some milk behind then obviously he is full.

Mel - posted on 05/22/2009

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yes its definately before! my daughters dietician still tries to say to me every phone convo make sure you offer food before milk. if a baby has milk their tummy fills up and majority of the time they will not want to eat afterwards. you baby should have 30 minutes for eating before each bottle feed. Sorry that some people are so misinformed Sadie I dont think they mean to be just people give them the wrong info! x

Sadie - posted on 05/21/2009

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Quoting Christin:

there is no need for water until one year of age and they actually advise against it. you ahould also make sure and give him the bottle before the food when doing both, since the bottle at his age still needs to be his main source of nutrition. it is fine to offer foods, but only after the bottle to make sure he is getting enough nutrients. If to much food is consummed over bottles he can be lacking some nutrients as all foods do not offer a complete balance of the nutrients needed. The food should only start being more primary source of nutrition starting around 9 months and increaseing toward 1st BD. It is only a learning lesson right now on how to eat, but is not physically nessecary until 9 months - one year



my health visitor told me to feed solids either before bottle or in between so im going on what they said and they can have water if needed like on hot days

Mel - posted on 05/21/2009

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water is recommended , for hot days of course and for constipation. its good for them to have water between feeds, rather then juice. mine has a bottle on the floor all day and she loves to drink out of it!

Christin - posted on 05/21/2009

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there is no need for water until one year of age and they actually advise against it. you ahould also make sure and give him the bottle before the food when doing both, since the bottle at his age still needs to be his main source of nutrition. it is fine to offer foods, but only after the bottle to make sure he is getting enough nutrients. If to much food is consummed over bottles he can be lacking some nutrients as all foods do not offer a complete balance of the nutrients needed. The food should only start being more primary source of nutrition starting around 9 months and increaseing toward 1st BD. It is only a learning lesson right now on how to eat, but is not physically nessecary until 9 months - one year

Susie - posted on 05/21/2009

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Quoting Claire:

It sounds to me like he's following a perfectly 'normal' routine. From what u have said your baby is quite happy with the way things are going. When u start weaning, a baby will only take what they need from bottle to 'top them up'. Though many ppl have disagreed with the giving of water, I did this with my daughter. I KNEW she was getting plenty of food/milk during the day and was only waking for comforting. I found by offering the bottle of water rather than milk, this settled her enough to soothe her back to sleep. now she sttn and is much happier for it. Other people don't know ure baby like you do, so 9 times out of 10 ure judgement is best! Ignore comments about starving ure baby as this is clearly NOT the case, and tbh I find it quite upsetting that ppl could make such a cruel comment when ure clearly just lookin for a bit of advice. It's comments like that that stop ppl asking questions and if we don't ask questions how can we be guided in the right direction?
If ure worried, speak to your HV as they are there to help. Comments on here can only offer advise but every baby is different, so what works for one, might not work for another! Good Luck


Well Said!

Sadie - posted on 05/21/2009

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thanks claire that was good advice and i'd take it into concideration and i agree about the comment u made about nasty comments ppl make

Claire - posted on 05/21/2009

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It sounds to me like he's following a perfectly 'normal' routine. From what u have said your baby is quite happy with the way things are going. When u start weaning, a baby will only take what they need from bottle to 'top them up'. Though many ppl have disagreed with the giving of water, I did this with my daughter. I KNEW she was getting plenty of food/milk during the day and was only waking for comforting. I found by offering the bottle of water rather than milk, this settled her enough to soothe her back to sleep. now she sttn and is much happier for it. Other people don't know ure baby like you do, so 9 times out of 10 ure judgement is best! Ignore comments about starving ure baby as this is clearly NOT the case, and tbh I find it quite upsetting that ppl could make such a cruel comment when ure clearly just lookin for a bit of advice. It's comments like that that stop ppl asking questions and if we don't ask questions how can we be guided in the right direction?

If ure worried, speak to your HV as they are there to help. Comments on here can only offer advise but every baby is different, so what works for one, might not work for another! Good Luck

Susie - posted on 05/21/2009

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I'm sorry. I know its hard when you are just looking for a simple answer. If you are worried about the response here then I would just call the nurses line at your LO's Dr office.

Sadie - posted on 05/21/2009

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i know u didnt other ppl have on here just upsetting when i try and advice ppl through my own experiences or through my knowledge and when i ask pll for some advice i get ppl saying nasty things

Susie - posted on 05/21/2009

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I never said you were. I would be annoyed at that too! You are def not starving your kid.

Susie - posted on 05/21/2009

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Quoting Sadie:



Quoting Susie:

Sorry people are not understanding you!

Maybe try this: Instead of giving water, slowly cut back on the milk in his 3 am feeding. It doesn't happen overnight. We did it on a weekly basis. So week 1, start with the 4oz that you said he takes, then the next week, go to three, then two then one. Give him some time to adjust.

Whatever route you choose, I hope he STTN soon!






well other ppl have understood me. i wouldnt cut it out straight away i know that and i know it doesnt happen over night. i have a good knowledege of childcare as i am a qualified nursery nurse. but was only asking if he was getting enough milk is that so hard to understand





Well, actually you asked 2 questions and I answered the first.



I'm not trying to put you down. I am just trying to help. Goodness!

Jeanne - posted on 05/21/2009

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If you follow the guidelines, your child should be drinking anywhere between 30 and 40 ounches at five months of age. My doctor told me not to give my baby water until they were at least 9 months of age because of the fluoride and other chemicals found in tap water. Your child is probably just needing that little amount of milk to help him get through the night as he is digesting milk faster since introducing solid foods his metabolism has sped up. You might want to try feeding him a small amount of cereal before bedtime (around 6 pm when I look at your schedule) and continue with the 8pm bottle before bed....it might be enough to get him to sleep through the night.

Sadie - posted on 05/21/2009

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Quoting Susie:

Sorry people are not understanding you!

Maybe try this: Instead of giving water, slowly cut back on the milk in his 3 am feeding. It doesn't happen overnight. We did it on a weekly basis. So week 1, start with the 4oz that you said he takes, then the next week, go to three, then two then one. Give him some time to adjust.

Whatever route you choose, I hope he STTN soon!



well other ppl have understood me. i wouldnt cut it out straight away i know that and i know it doesnt happen over night. i have a good knowledege of childcare as i am a qualified nursery nurse. but was only asking if he was getting enough milk is that so hard to understand

Susie - posted on 05/21/2009

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Sorry people are not understanding you!

Maybe try this: Instead of giving water, slowly cut back on the milk in his 3 am feeding. It doesn't happen overnight. We did it on a weekly basis. So week 1, start with the 4oz that you said he takes, then the next week, go to three, then two then one. Give him some time to adjust.

Whatever route you choose, I hope he STTN soon!

Sadie - posted on 05/21/2009

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Quoting Lydia:

Also - just been doing a bit of reading re the rusks - its only certain brands that are using obsene amounts of fat in their rusks. I dont know what the grapevine is spreading over there about the Bonjela ban but in Oz its apparently been scaring the mums out of using it - it is only the ADULTS bonjela that has the ingredient that the gel was banned for - the infant teething gel is not considered harmful (I know its a little off topic but just thought people might like to know)



the bonjela topic is exactly what u said over here. but it is handy to know

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Also - just been doing a bit of reading re the rusks - its only certain brands that are using obsene amounts of fat in their rusks. I dont know what the grapevine is spreading over there about the Bonjela ban but in Oz its apparently been scaring the mums out of using it - it is only the ADULTS bonjela that has the ingredient that the gel was banned for - the infant teething gel is not considered harmful (I know its a little off topic but just thought people might like to know)

Sadie - posted on 05/21/2009

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Quoting Cathralynn:

Hi, sorry about all the mix up altho I wasn't involved. I think you are doing great. If you are trying to switch to solids then let your son tell you when he's ready. It seems like you are doing exactly what I did and its worked fine. My daughter will be one friday. Continue to offer baby foods and make sure you offer the cereal. If you mix it with formula, there are alot of nutrients especially iron that can replace any lessening of formula bottles. If your son is leaving milk he is getting plenty. And you'll know if he's losing weight or something. My daughter didn't start reliably eating solids until 8 months and we are just now switching to whole milk. Our doctor didn't recommend starting baby food until after six mo cause of food allergies since she slept fine. I think if you go with your baby's signs, your instincts, and your health advisor you'll do great. Your son will just one day start to eat more baby food and drink less formula on his own. Also at 5mo you guys are just on the cusp of maybe going all night without food. If your worried you can always wait another few weeks to be sure its a comfort feed before you drop it. Good luck! Your doing a good job, don't believe otherwise.


thanks cathralynn

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I agree with Cheryl Cotter. Do not supplement water in place of milk. If he is waking in the middle of the night for a bottle let him have it. he is only 5 months old and he only wakes the one time so this is not a big deal. If it is just to soothe him then make a smaller formula bottle ex. 2oz

Sadie - posted on 05/21/2009

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Quoting Melissa:

good to hear. i used to go put the dummy back in my daughters mouth to avoid a feed especially if i was extremely tired from just doing one and it was too soon to start her next one. usually it worked for her but sometimes she'd be back awake 20 minutes later. didnt know that about the rusks but its interesting. i was always worried about my baby getting fat on formula lol but now im glad she has the rusks because shes skinny as :)



sorry the last post i sent was supposed to say " he doesnt cry or scream"

Cathralynn - posted on 05/21/2009

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Hi, sorry about all the mix up altho I wasn't involved. I think you are doing great. If you are trying to switch to solids then let your son tell you when he's ready. It seems like you are doing exactly what I did and its worked fine. My daughter will be one friday. Continue to offer baby foods and make sure you offer the cereal. If you mix it with formula, there are alot of nutrients especially iron that can replace any lessening of formula bottles. If your son is leaving milk he is getting plenty. And you'll know if he's losing weight or something. My daughter didn't start reliably eating solids until 8 months and we are just now switching to whole milk. Our doctor didn't recommend starting baby food until after six mo cause of food allergies since she slept fine. I think if you go with your baby's signs, your instincts, and your health advisor you'll do great. Your son will just one day start to eat more baby food and drink less formula on his own. Also at 5mo you guys are just on the cusp of maybe going all night without food. If your worried you can always wait another few weeks to be sure its a comfort feed before you drop it. Good luck! Your doing a good job, don't believe otherwise.

Mel - posted on 05/21/2009

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good to hear. i used to go put the dummy back in my daughters mouth to avoid a feed especially if i was extremely tired from just doing one and it was too soon to start her next one. usually it worked for her but sometimes she'd be back awake 20 minutes later. didnt know that about the rusks but its interesting. i was always worried about my baby getting fat on formula lol but now im glad she has the rusks because shes skinny as :)

Sadie - posted on 05/21/2009

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Quoting Lydia:

Sounds like our babies have similar patterns :)
What makes you think the night feed a comfort thing?



dunno maybe because he does cry or scream before hand

Sadie - posted on 05/21/2009

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Quoting Lydia:

Sounds like our babies have similar patterns :)
What makes you think the night feed a comfort thing?



dunno maybe because he does cry or scream before hand

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Sounds like our babies have similar patterns :)

What makes you think the night feed a comfort thing?

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Thats when I give her the feed - Im not a cry-it-out kinda mum. If a small feed is what it takes to calm her then thats what she gets. But cause its only a small feed it only takes 10-15minutes so its not too bad. I put her straight back down and she mutters until she goes to sleep. Thats just what works for her - every baby is different.

Sadie - posted on 05/21/2009

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Quoting Lydia:

If hes leaving a little in each bottle then hes feeding till hes full. My daughter was waking at about 3ish for a night feed. I havent weaned her so much as tried to adjust the time that she needed her feed by putting her dummy in her mouth for comfort. When she starts grumbling within 20 minutes of getting her dummy back then I give her a top up feed. She now takes this at 5am. Shes happy and Im less tired so everyones a winner!



we have tried putting dummy back in sometimes doesnt work sometimes it does

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Because the very first line

"my baby is 5 months, i have been weaning for 3 weeks as baby seemed hungrier every few hours." and then you talked about offering water instead. Maybe it made perfect sense to you but not to everyone else, hence the confusion about your meaning.

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If hes leaving a little in each bottle then hes feeding till hes full. My daughter was waking at about 3ish for a night feed. I havent weaned her so much as tried to adjust the time that she needed her feed by putting her dummy in her mouth for comfort. When she starts grumbling within 20 minutes of getting her dummy back then I give her a top up feed. She now takes this at 5am. Shes happy and Im less tired so everyones a winner!

Sadie - posted on 05/21/2009

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Quoting Cheryl:

The confusion arrives when the poster said she is thinking of weaning her baby. I guess it depends on the definition of wean, because to many of us it sounded like she was stopping formula, hence the confusion. And can someone please define "hungier milk" and "rusks"? Remember we have people here from 6 continents and definitions are variable.



i did not say i was thinking of weaning my baby i said i have started to wean onto solids and trying to get him to sleep throught the night by suggesting a something i.e reducing the bottle at night. no it didnt sound like i was stopping formula. if u read the post again it u should understand it as sarah did straight away so i have no idea where ppl got the idea from that i was wanting to starve my baby. y would i want to do that? and it was a bit harsh saying it all they could have said was "sorry i dont understand can u rephrase it"  so i would really and truthfully like to have some apologies from the pll who said i was starving my baby



hungrier milk is a milk with a bit more lactose in it to help with lasting longer or for babies who are hungrier than normal.



rusks are buscuits that u can give babies perfect as a weaning food u mix it in with a bit of babies milk.



 

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The confusion arrives when the poster said she is thinking of weaning her baby. I guess it depends on the definition of wean, because to many of us it sounded like she was stopping formula, hence the confusion. And can someone please define "hungier milk" and "rusks"? Remember we have people here from 6 continents and definitions are variable.

Sadie - posted on 05/21/2009

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hi melissa

i have gone off giving him rusks as here in england it was on the news that they are actually bad for babies under a certain age at the fat content is a lot higher or something. im gonna try yoghurts i think maybe before his last bottle before he goes bed to help him last a bit longer some nights it varies he sometimes goes till 4-5am so im not worried that he is still up in the night i only really wanted to know if he was getting enough milk but i now think he is

Mel - posted on 05/21/2009

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dont worry about those people that want to say crap to you. you know your not starving him thats all that matters! that is the times my girl was having her bottles for a long time til about 11 months old. i cant say anything about how much your giving as i am from australia , but he looks healthy, if his night feed really is just comfort you can try soothe him without it but alot of babies are still wanting a feed at night at this age. i saw a post saying food is not a necessily before 12 months it actually is if you wait much longer then 6 months they may not be getting their nutritional needs to develop. from what i can see you are doing well. have you tired yogurt in the morning or rusks in between feeds?

Sarah - posted on 05/21/2009

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you can get special baby yoghurts, just check the age on them. as i said you're certainly not starving your baby and i'm not sure how that comment came about, so just ignore it!!! you're little one is gorgeous by the way and i wish you luck with dropping the night feed! :)

Sadie - posted on 05/21/2009

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thankQuoting Sarah:

not sure how anyone can say you're 'starving' your baby!! the amounts you've shown seem perfectly acceptable to me! if you're trying to drop the night feed, try hungry baby milk in his last bottle as it's more filling. he's getting plenty of milk in my opinion, if you're worried, ask your health visitor, tho things like yoghurt are a good way to bump up calcium intake. at the end of the day, you know your baby better than anyone else so follow your instinct and you'll be fine! :)



thank u sarah, thats all i needed to know. i dunno how im starving my baby. i might try him on hungrier milk in the evening. as for yoghurt i dont think they can have that till 8 months. i think the amount of milk he is having is ok i just thought i'd check.

Sarah - posted on 05/21/2009

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not sure how anyone can say you're 'starving' your baby!! the amounts you've shown seem perfectly acceptable to me! if you're trying to drop the night feed, try hungry baby milk in his last bottle as it's more filling. he's getting plenty of milk in my opinion, if you're worried, ask your health visitor, tho things like yoghurt are a good way to bump up calcium intake. at the end of the day, you know your baby better than anyone else so follow your instinct and you'll be fine! :)

Sadie - posted on 05/21/2009

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my son gets put down to sleap around 8.30 - 9pm and wakes when we get up at 7.15am but is up at 2-3am for a comfort feed

Sadie - posted on 05/21/2009

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Quoting Geralyn:

Sadie, your message is not clear about what you mean by "weaning." Is your baby breastfed (at breast or bottle)? Formula fed?

Between 4-6 months, or thereabouts depending on the baby, the baby is going through very important growth spurts. Its not a good idea to wean during that time. Moreover, the nutrients which primarily come from milk or formula are so important for brain development. If you are weaning, and you do not want to breastfeed, you should replace with formula. I am not sure whether you are using formula. If your baby is breastfed or fed with breast milk in the bottle, he/she will need to eat during the night. If your baby is formula fed, why are you weaning?

You may want to clarify so that people can help....


he is formula fed. i have started to try him on solids as he has been feeding every 2 hours and would have 7oz each time for nearly a month and he wasnt content in between feeds like he usually is. i mentioned to my health visitor and she told me to start weaning early. he loves his solids and is very happy between feeds all my question was is that is he getting enough formula? and no im not starving my baby

Sadie - posted on 05/21/2009

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Quoting Cindy:

Why would you starve your baby? If he's thursty let him drink.
My son is now over nine months and he told me when he needed more solids less liquids. He was eating just a little bit for a few months then he gradually ate more and more solids.
When he was 5 months he ate 5 Tablespoons of food a day and 54 oz of formula. He would only take 5oz bottles. He finally took a 8oz bottle (1 week ago) and now eats a full jar of baby food at each meal, plus he tries what's on our plates. We make darn sure he has a snack at 7pm and a full bottle at bedtime. He will drain 4-8oz bottles during the day.

I have found that my son will give a specific cry/whine when he is thursty and start to suckle on anything that's handy. If he's Starving he will chuck his bottle and smack his lips. I did notice that you feed on a schedual - that is super. He feeds on a very similar schedual. 8-12-5 and 7, then he goes for a bath, then bed. If he wakes up at 3am my hubby hands him a bottle and goes to bed. Aidan naps at 10am and 2pm.

We tried changing what he had at night - yeah, no. He screamed all night long.

Just my experience.

The last thing you need is a dehydrated baby.


i am not starving my baby he drinks max of 7oz of milk evey four hours on top of some solids. my question was if he was getting enough milk?



he doesnt cry at night he only windges and rubs his eyes. he has never screamed at night

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Sadie, your message is not clear about what you mean by "weaning." Is your baby breastfed (at breast or bottle)? Formula fed?



Between 4-6 months, or thereabouts depending on the baby, the baby is going through very important growth spurts. Its not a good idea to wean during that time. Moreover, the nutrients which primarily come from milk or formula are so important for brain development. If you are weaning, and you do not want to breastfeed, you should replace with formula. I am not sure whether you are using formula. If your baby is breastfed or fed with breast milk in the bottle, he/she will need to eat during the night. If your baby is formula fed, why are you weaning?



You may want to clarify so that people can help....

Cindy - posted on 05/20/2009

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Why would you starve your baby? If he's thursty let him drink.

My son is now over nine months and he told me when he needed more solids less liquids. He was eating just a little bit for a few months then he gradually ate more and more solids.

When he was 5 months he ate 5 Tablespoons of food a day and 54 oz of formula. He would only take 5oz bottles. He finally took a 8oz bottle (1 week ago) and now eats a full jar of baby food at each meal, plus he tries what's on our plates. We make darn sure he has a snack at 7pm and a full bottle at bedtime. He will drain 4-8oz bottles during the day.



I have found that my son will give a specific cry/whine when he is thursty and start to suckle on anything that's handy. If he's Starving he will chuck his bottle and smack his lips. I did notice that you feed on a schedual - that is super. He feeds on a very similar schedual. 8-12-5 and 7, then he goes for a bath, then bed. If he wakes up at 3am my hubby hands him a bottle and goes to bed. Aidan naps at 10am and 2pm.



We tried changing what he had at night - yeah, no. He screamed all night long.



Just my experience.



The last thing you need is a dehydrated baby.

Martha - posted on 05/20/2009

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Solids are really only for experimenting with textures and flavors before his first birthday. He should definitely be getting nearly all of his nutrition from breast milk or formula. Average breast milk intake for a baby your son's age is 25 oz. Average formula intake for a 5 month old is 32 oz. (I don't know if you are giving bottles of expressed milk or formula). If he's leaving 3 oz at every feeding, he's probably not getting enough without the middle-of-the-night feeding. Encouraging him to finish the bottle probably isn't the best strategy since if he overeats it will likely come right back at you. You could move lunch up a little and dinner back a little and offer an afternoon snack in between. That way he will consume more calories during the time you would like for him to be awake and be less likely to need to top off in the middle of the night.

I got the info about average consumption from kellymom.com
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/pumping/milkc...
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/start/prepare...

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My suggestion isn't to just wean your baby from the midnight feed it is to eliminate a comfort feed. You can tell the difference in the cry (or I could with my son's cry). That is how I knew it was time to work on weaning him from the comfort feed. I also knew he was getting his required amount of milk for the day, so do check this out first. I also agree never to give your baby water in place of milk he/she needs nutrients not a space filler. Milk is the first form of nutrients at this stage the solid food is teaching them texture and getting them used to it (at least that is what I was told, my oldest didn't like food until he was almost 12months).

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Why would you wean a hungry baby? If he is having a growth spurt he simply needs more milk not less. Most babies at 5 months old still need a night feeding so get up and give him a bottle. Never offer a baby water instead of formula.

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My son is 7 1/2months and he has a bottle every 3hrs. If you want to eliminate the middle of the night bottle you can slowly train him by letting him cry (sounds bad I know) but if it really is just a comfort feeding then letting him cry for a little is also teaching him to find other ways to soothe himself back to sleep. Give him maybe 5 minutes to see if he will soothe him back to sleep. Of course use your judgement on his cry. If my son was giving me an sleepy cry I knew he would go back to sleep but if he was crying histarically I knew I had to go in and I would then just give him a bottle. He goes to sleep around 10:30 - 11:00 and sleeps until 7:30-8:00 so that might be the difference. I can't remember where I read about this method but it has helped me with both of my sons. Good Luck.

Do check out the Dr. Sears sight they have a calculation to find out how much milk your child should consume.

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