Circumcision

Amber - posted on 06/26/2010 ( 102 moms have responded )

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So I had made the decision that if I had a boy, I wasn't going to circumcise him. I'm getting a lot of grief over this decision and was wondering if I'm making the right decision. In my opinion I am, and to each their own, but, just making sure I guess, or looking for some sort of support. I've done a lot of research on the subject, and I realize that it's going to take extra care and hygiene habits to upkeep with it. That to me is no problem. I have a lot of friends who aren't circumcised and they don't mind it at all. I even have some guy friends who say they wish they weren't. The two potential fathers of this baby, the one is circumcised and is having a down right FIT over the fact that I said I'm not going to do it to this one, and the other isn't circumcised but hasn't had a chance to speak his mind. I've had people tell me the risk of infection is greater, but I've also heard the opposite. I believe that if it's not cleaned properly and often, then yes, infection can be higher for him but aside from that, I believe the chance for infection to be the same as one who isn't circumcised. I was also told that I'm horrible for making him grow up to have to take the extra care of it. I also see it as, he won't know anything other than that, so why would it be a burden? I could understand if you could circumcise them, they get used to it, and then if it ever grew back telling them they can't do it again, and it being a chore, but, he's going to have it his whole life. He's going to be taught from day 1 to properly take care of it, etc. So I see no problem with it. Any light on this matter would be appreciated. Pros, cons, just no bashing. I get enough of it from the people around me.

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Charlie - posted on 06/26/2010

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UGH i find circ horrific and barbaric .

I am proud to have an intact , natural baby boy , personal hygiene is not hard to teach , it only takes a minute to clean an intact penis , saying its so much harder is damn lazy IMO , the foreskin is a functioning part of the penis , it has purpose , removing it is equal to removing an eyelid , removing the foreskin desesitizes the penis making sex never as fulfilling as nature intended it to be .
85% of the world male population is intact , infection is NOT greater again personal hygiene is EASY , no world health organization recommends circ its outdated and holds no legitimate reasons for recommendation , it is considered cosmetic surgery by most countries , America seems to be the only country that has this unnatural obsession with circ for some reason ( im betting the reason makes a big KA-CHING noise after each circ ) , it is his body and we may be their parents but we have no right to amputate a healthy , natural part of their body for any reason other than genuine medical reasons , bodily integrity is so important , i think not circ'ing your son shows a level of respect you hold for your sons rights to his body .

In short .
Did you know?

* that no medical association in the world recommends circumcision?

* the circumcised penis requires more care than a natural penis?

* that circumcision can effect the mother/infant bond. (Trust is the basis of all later development)?

* circumcision removes at least one-half of the erogenous tissue on the penile shaft?

* that circumcision creates permanent neurological brain damage?

* involuntary circumcision can create negative psychological issues later on in life, such as anger, betrayal, low self esteem and sexual shame?

* that male infant circumcision brings U.S. doctors $100,000,000 to $200,000,000 per year?

* medical circumcision began in the Victorian Era (1800's), in an attempt to discourage masturbation?


The circumcised penis requires more care than the natural penis during the first three years of life, according to a report in the British Journal of Urology. The clinical findings of an American pediatrician showed that circumcised boys were significantly more likely to have skin adhesions, trapped debris, irritated urinary opening, and inflammation of the glans (head of the penis) than were boys with a foreskin. Furthermore, because there are large variations of appearance in circumcised boys, circumcision for cosmetic reasons should be discouraged.

Researchers found circumcision so traumatic that they ended the study early rather than subject any more infants to the operation without anesthesia. Those infants circumcised without anesthesia experienced not only severe pain, but also an increased risk of choking and difficulty breathing. The findings were published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Up to 96% of infants in some areas of the United States receive no anesthesia during circumcision. No anesthetic currently in use for circumcisions is effective during the most painful parts of the procedure.
"In the case of circumcision, relational resources are unavailable to the neonate. The next level of fight-flight-freeze also does not serve him since he is easily trapped and overpowered by those performing the procedure. All he has left, therefore is the level of shock defense, which consists of central nervous system flooding by terror, rage, and finally numbing, paralysis, and dissociation; this his his last chance to control the high level of central nervous system activation, which might otherwise result in death. Watchinig videotapes of neonates being circumcised portrays this clearly to the aware eye. The so-called "quiet" after circumcision is more likely a state of dissociation in response to the overwhelming pain and terror than it is a state of peaceful relaxation."

John Rhinehart

Parents often express a fear that their son will "feel different in the locker room" if he is intact. There is good evidence that proper education is the answer. Boys who are taught from an early age that they are normal, whole and healthy will have a lesser chance of suffering embarrassment in the locker room, especially if some of the other boys are also intact.

Nonreligious infant circumcision is not an issue in European, Asian or South American countries. In Canada the average rate of infant circumcision for boys is roughly 25%, with large regional variations. The rate in the United States has dropped to less than 60%, and will drop below 50% in a few years if present trends continue. This is already true in the Western US (35% in 1993).


"Recent policy statements issued by professional societies representing Australian, Canadian, and American pediatricians do not recommend routine circumcision of male newborns.5,8-10" - American Medical Association

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/no-index/abo...

"benefits are not sufficient for the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) to recommend that all infant boys be circumcised."
http://www.aap.org/publiced/BR_Circumcis...

"When considering routine infant circumcision, ethical concerns have focused on recognition of the functional role of the foreskin, the non-therapeutic nature of the operation, and the psychological distress felt by some adult males circumcised as infants. The possibility that routine circumcision contravenes human rights has been raised because circumcision is performed on a minor for non-clinical reasons, and is potentially without net clinical benefit for the child.
Recently there has been renewed debate regarding both the possible health benefits and the ethical concerns relating to routine male circumcision. The most important conditions where some benefit may result from circumcision are urinary tract infections, and in adults HIV infection and cancer of the penis. The frequency of these conditions, the level of protection offered by circumcision and complication rate of circumcision do not warrant a recommendation of universal circumcision for newborn and infant males in an Australian and New Zealand context."

User - posted on 06/28/2010

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One of my boys were circumsized and one isn't. As a new mom, it was difficult for me to know that happened b/c I heard him scream out through the nursery windows. Then taking care of it and seeing it that way made my heart hurt for him. You know it has to hurt when they urinate. My husband made the decision not to circumsize our last son and I am happy with that decision. There have been no problems at all. He is normal, healthy and happy. If he chooses to have it done one day, then that will be his decision and if it has to be done medically, then he'll be old enough to deal with it. You make a choice and stick to it no matter what people say. It is YOUR baby. I had a lot of grief about it too, but I went with my gut. Always go with that gut feeling especially with your baby. Good luck!

Krista - posted on 06/28/2010

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So Sherri, that means that almost a quarter of the men in your state AREN'T circumcised? That is not an insubstantial amount. So obviously not everybody in your state agrees with you, hospital recommendations or not.

And I find it very odd that your local hospitals ARE recommending circumcisions, seeing as the American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend routine neonatal circumcision....

Josie - posted on 06/28/2010

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So if your child is the only kid in school with blonde hair you will dye their hair as to not be different? I'm sorry I just don't get it. What happens when he steps out of the little bubble you put him in and realizes that, oh crap - EVERYONE is different? To me it's just not a good enough reason to cut off a piece of a body part. To each their own.

Minnie - posted on 06/28/2010

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I find it interesting that people say leave it the way GOD intended. If you read the Bible GOD commanded the Israites TO circ all their males. Has nothing to do with weather it should be done now or not. I just thought it was ironic.



I think that people should understand the reasons given for circumcision in the Bible- it was a physical representation of the atonement- innocent blood shed and that according to the Bible, was no longer needed once Christ died on the cross.



One also should realize that traditional Jewish circumcision typically involves a small cut to the end of the foreskin that protrudes past the glans.



This is nothing like modern mainstream circumcision that happens in your average US hospital, which involves ripping the mucosal tissue from the glans and removing the entire foreskin.



Regardless of whether one believes in God, or evolution, or both, the foreskin is there for a reason.

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~Jennifer - posted on 06/29/2010

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Well, Ladies.....I think it's time to cut this off.
Thanks for your replies.

~Jenn~
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Ashley - posted on 06/29/2010

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OK I THOUGHT THIS CIRCLE OF MOMS BULLCRAP is for mothers to come here and ask questions based on what they need. And to post and help others. It is nothing like that all you pro-uncircumcised are attacking the other mothers for telling Amber that they had there boys done and all is good with it. And then another mom comes on here saying its mutulation, its barbaric, UK vs. States. Like seriously, even one of the modeators was being out right rude. IF IT IS MUTULATION AND BARBARIC, IT WOULDN'T BE AVAILABLE TO DO!! Right like who are you to say its barbaric? Its available, it was alot more common before, but its still available. Doctors do still recommend it, alot of people grew up knowing circumcision. Like what with the attacks, this website is susposed to be for mothers to come and be comfortable about what they write on it.

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Minor procedure...? I can see that your family/community history of circumcision has desensitized you to the issue. There isn't much else to be said at this point.

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Well, thorough research by doctors and scientists says that your babies could have felt pain. And if they didn't during, they most certainly did after. Why is it that you think ripping an organ off of an infant is "no big deal"? How is that no big deal to you? No big deal. I can't get over that statement.

Adrienne - posted on 06/29/2010

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First of all I wanna say that to each their own. I had all three of my sons circumsized because their daddy is. Also because I have known a few guys that weren't and because they got an infection later on in life they circumsized him then. But one bad thing about having my oldest son done was that they didn't do it right and had to redo it at about 15 months. (I never would do that again at that age! Poor thing.) My mother just told me that some place you have to pay $600 to get it done. Here you only need to pay the hospital $100 and the doctor who did it $120.

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When an anesthetic is used, it relieves only some but not all of the pain, and its effect wanes before the post-operative pain does.( 14) Because no experimental anesthetic has been found to be safe and effective in preventing circumcision pain, research in this area continues. Meanwhile, some physicians’ views about the use of anesthesia during circumcision grow more intense. In a recent medical article on the subject, the writers described circumcision without pain relief as “barbaric.”( 15) Another physician wrote that subjecting an adult to the same practice would be “unfathomable.”( 16)

http://www.circumcision.org/response.htm...

Charlie - posted on 06/29/2010

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Just to add to Krystle's post many babies appear to go quiet or asleep because they have gone into shock , its one of the bodies many coping mechanisms , it has been proven that babies start to feel pain well before they they are even born .

SCIENTISTS have shown for the first time that new-born babies have a "unique" nervous system which makes them respond differently to pain from adults.

In research that has far-reaching implications for the medical and surgical treatments of infants, the scientists have found that newborn children feel pain longer and more sensitively. In premature babies, the mechanism that allows older children and adults to "dampen down" the pain messages does not work properly.

Until now it has been presumed that a baby's pain system was too immature to function properly, or that they reacted in a similar way to adults but less efficiently.
Researchers at University College London have now discovered that babies' sensory systems have a unique pain-signalling mechanism, which disappears as they grow older. This makes them feel pain sooner than an older child or adult and because of different "wiring" they can react to stimulation as if it is pain - even when it is not.

Peggy - posted on 06/29/2010

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I felt the same way as u, I now have 2 son that aren't and they have had no problems.

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It actually does hurt them. Babies feel pain. They used to perform open heart surgeries on babies because they thought babies didn't feel pain. Half of the time numbing attempts don't even help the infant because of the nerves involved. I am so sick of hearing people say that it's no big deal. It's a huge deal. It's also incredibly ignorant to say that you'd never want to see an intact penis.
Seriously, grow up.

Jodi - posted on 06/29/2010

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I think Rebecca means to say that with a circumcised boy you have to look after it for a few days following the circumcision......just thought I should clarify that.

Charlie - posted on 06/29/2010

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Melissa Luttke -

The original poster has asked specifically for the pro's and con's of circumcision hence the differing of opinions expressed in this thread .

Rebecca - posted on 06/29/2010

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I didn't get my son circumcised. I think your doing the right thing. There is a difference in the up keep. With circumcised boy you have to look after it and with a non circumcised boy you don't. He won't get any infections unless you pull back the skin. You should never pull back the skin for cleaning. It cleans it's self and when he is old enough he will start pulling it back by himself when he is exploring himself. The only time you will get an infection is when people think they have to clean under it and pull the skin back.

Nicole - posted on 06/29/2010

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We researched & chose to have it done when he was only a day old...thank goodness our son acted like he barely felt a thing...was sleeping when they brought him back...it healed quickly & beautifully...one of my wise older friends told me this...those who say "just teach them to clean it" have obviously never had a teenage son...

Melissa - posted on 06/29/2010

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so much for no ear bashing, why as women must we put other decisions down can we all not agree that we have all done and are doing the best thing we believe for our children.
my son was circumsized at 6 weeks old on request from his father which i respected.end of story who cares what the pros and cons are point being they both have pros and cons and its up to you and your potential fathers to make the decision for your son. best of luck.

Tara - posted on 06/29/2010

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Okay, so some people are worried that their child will look different in the locker room~~~ if I were a guy in a locker room the last thing I would be caught staring at is another guys penis. Doing that would illicit more laughs and finger pointing than any uncirc. or circ. penis.

To look like their father/brother etc.~~~~~~~ boy penises and man penises look different anyhow, dad is bigger, thicker longer etc. has hair etc. boy penises do not.

To say it is better for cleanliness, do your research, an intact penis has it's own protection it's called a foreskin.
You wouldn't put soap in a little girls vagina (that would be considered abuse btw) to clean it, foreskin are also self-cleaning until they retract on their own, and really than it's just a matter of simply pulling it back and washing with water. (lots of guys masterbate in the shower, so this will keep things clean on a regular basis too)

A friend of mine recently had her son cut, he now has "no penis" he is 5 months old and it looks like there is a hole where the penis should be, the doctor told her it's normal and the penis should come back out eventually!! How do you keep that clean??????
When you put him at 5 months and my 7 month old together in the bath, you can see the HUGE difference, my guy looks like he is a boy, her's looks like he is missing that part of his anatomy. His penis will reappear sometime in his life (so says the doctor) but my guy's penis will always be here.

To say that men who have been "cut" are happy and wouldn't have it any other way, well I imagine if they could have told you before the procedure they would have said "no please don't cut off part of my body"

To say "to each their own" is wrong. Everyone seems to forget that the foreskin belongs to someone else, the baby boy!!!

To say "prevents possible infection" is ridiculous, if we did procedures for possible problems, let's start removing all their appendixes, (unlike the foreskin science can't figure out why we have an appendix anyway) and how about tonsils? They seems to get infected in children far more often than foreskins, let's take those out the first week of life too, just to be safe y'know.

All the pro-circ arguments are seriously flawed. IT is mutilation, it is in humane and it is wrong. It denies a man his right to an intact penis, he has the born right to sexual satisfaction, he has the right to decide for himself if he wants a piece of his body cut off.
This is a barbaric procedure that has no place in a civilized society. We are supposed to protect our babies from harm, and then people go and willingly put their babies through unjust pain and suffering, all for someone else's twisted beliefs about what someone elses penis should look like.
So really in a nut shell most people who do this to their children are doing it in the name of vanity. Shameful. Basically saying there is something wrong with my new baby, he has a foreskin, OFF with it!!!
Babies are born perfect. Leave them that way for goodness sake. Stop thinking of yourself, your friends, your family and start thinking about the fact your son is a man, he is a human being, he is a person. And this is cosmetic surgery done on a minor without their consent. Should be against the law in my opinion.

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Hi Amber, im from Ireland, we do not circumcise our boys nd as far as im aware none ov the men in dis country have no problems, in saying dat, my son is circumcised as de opening ov his penis was too tight nd he had problems going to the toilet, he got a bad in fection, he is 4 now nd it dusnt bother him except when he see his brother in the bath nd asks me why his will is not bigger, god love him, all i can do is giggle, but on a serious note, its yur decision in de long run, dont be letting anyone else tell you wot way to raise yur child, after all, you carried him for 9 mths nd you went throu labour, hope all goes well for yeh pet, x x x

Karla - posted on 06/28/2010

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I have two sons and at the time they were born, their dad did not want them circumcised. I went along with his decision. My oldest son had to be circumcised when he was two years. His foreskin was very tight and he started having problems urinating. My youngest son never had any problems (36yrs old now). It is a matter of choice and neither decision is wrong. Some doctors suggest it and others don't care one way or another. Due to shorter hospital stays, a lot of parents are not getting their child circumcised.

Minnie - posted on 06/28/2010

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Good god I don't care that your kids aren't circumcised



I guess what confuses me about this statement is that you clearly said in a previous post in this thread that you think every male should be circumcised.

Jodi - posted on 06/28/2010

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I don't care that they are circumcised, my son is too. I don't feel the need to justify my choice, at the time it was much more common to do so anyway. I guess I was just confused as to why you felt the need to show your kids pictures of an uncircumcised penis online.......

Jodi - posted on 06/28/2010

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Sherri, can I be blatantly honest? Boys don't look at each other's penis's in the locker room. Seriously, they don't.

And there are MUCH more productive ways to show your children differences in penis's without them being horrified. When I sat down and had the "talk" with my son, the book I gave him has drawings of various different penis's, with the message that every penis is different, and none of them are any better than the other, they are just all different. I think that is a much better message to give to our children, whether circumcised or not.

Just for the record, my son is circumcised, my step son isn't, and do you know what? Neither of them CARE :) They don't sit there examining one another's penis's!!!! Or anyone else's for that matter.

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Why is it such a big issue? If you want your son done then get it but if you dont then don't and move on for goodness sake.
Sherri is obviously sheltered and Sherri if you re-read my post i aimed it at mothers who were going on about it for hygene reasons which like i said is utter BS.

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eee.... you showed your kids pictures of penises on line??
Thats a bit disturbing!! ... no wonder they where horrified ..
(10 things.... I would like to look at with my mom..)
you don't think it will be sufficient that they will adopt almost anything you tell them, without the graphics ..
regarding your comment of ...better..
I apologies here, call me creasy.... but I'm going to have to go with mother nature ..God.. whatever you prefer to name it... over Man kind ... any day
If boy's where not intended to have foreskin, they would be born without it ...

Minnie - posted on 06/28/2010

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Maybe you live in a little podunk town, Sherri? Because when you say that you know that 'everyone you come into contact with' is circumcised, that makes me think of every single child at school, your neighbors, the garbage guy, the dude behind the counter at the supermarket,etc.



(And I grew up in a podunk town of 300 people) It STILL is creepy to even care about the status of others' penises



I think that you probably are placing your own biases on your children- why else would they be 'horrified' when they saw a natural penis? What are their reactions when they see anyone who looks different than they do? Are people where you live that closed-in that everyone is a carbon-copy of one another?

Josie - posted on 06/28/2010

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When I had my son a lot of people straight up asked me if I cercumsized him... Honestly, i was a little bothered, why would people care about my son's penis? And when I would say no I didn't, they would ask if my husband was cercumsized... Honestly, what the??? I would never have the balls to ask a friend if their husband is cercumsized!

~Jennifer - posted on 06/28/2010

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Well, maybe it's because of our 'ass backwards' country, but I've heard every new mom that I know (that chose to do it) say things like " He's being circumcised tomorrow, and then we'll be bringing him home"....so, honestly, it's no big shock that anyone should know 'penile status', if they're in your immediate circle of friends or family.....

Minnie - posted on 06/28/2010

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Seriously! The ONLY men whose state of intactedness I know are my husband and my brother.

Krista - posted on 06/28/2010

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That's a good point, Lisa. The only men about whom I would know their circumcision status are the men with whom I've slept. I have no idea if any other men I know are circumcised, nor do I particularly care to know.

Minnie - posted on 06/28/2010

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Sherri- truly- how many men are going to have a lookie at your son's genitals while he's growing up? The only people who saw mine while I was growing up was a doctor and my parents.



Why would anyone else's opinon on the way your son's penis looks matter? THAT is creepy. It's really odd to me that everyone you know share's the state of everyone's privates. How do you know that everyone you have come into contact with is circumcised? "Hi! Nice to meet you! I circumcised my sons- how about you!"

Nete - posted on 06/28/2010

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great irony here is, that I still, to this day... remember the talk of the town, where I grew up, - the one boy who had been circumcised.. no one made fun, but everyone felt bad for him...
I can't help wonder, if there have been any studies to see if there is a correlation between E.D and circumcision and if E.D is more common in men there have undergone the procedure, than those who have not ... does anyone know if such studies have been undertaken?

Josie - posted on 06/28/2010

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Why do people say "oh he will look different if you don't circumsize him", how is that a reasonable argument? Number 1, he most likely won't be the only kid to not be circumsized and number 2, EVERYONE on this planet looks different.

Nete - posted on 06/28/2010

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I don't know, how other peoples opinion.. can possible be a good argument for cutting off a body part on you child..
- would you cut of a hand, if that was popular ?
Hopefully by the time your son grows up, people will have learned the earth is no longer flat!

Tara - posted on 06/28/2010

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It's his foreskin, not yours, not his possible father/s, not your friends, your family etc. that is HIS piece of anatomy and only he should be allowed to make the choice to have it removed.
I have a 17 yr and a 14 yr old boys, neither was circumsized, and until the foreskin retracts by itself, there are no extra cleaning regiments involved and by that age most boys can wash themselves. I never ever pulled their foreskin back for cleaning, it is ATTACHED with a membrane that will over time as his penis grows, shrink and dissappear all together.
You are making the RIGHT and in my opinion the MORALLY responsible one. Just cause two people create life does NOT mean they can decide to remove parts of their bodies, not to look themselves, not to prevent possible problems, not to decide that he should have less sexual sensation when he's older, not to deny him the right to his natural body
Leave that foreskin intact. I'm sure if you do and then ask him when he is 14 if he would rather you had it cut off, he will thank you for not doing it.
:)just my not so humble opinion. Tara

Amanda - posted on 06/28/2010

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It is my belief that God put everything on our bodies for a reason. Foreskin has a purpose. How on earth did our society come to this. I have researched the subject and I found interesting facts that state that the foreskin is there for pleasureable reasons. During penetration the skin is pushed back and mounds at the base of the penis therefore giving direct pressure to the females clitoris. It makes perfect sense to me why now would you wanna take that away from a man. sorry for being so vulgar but I find the subject very interesting. My husband of course opposes my view and says it is something we should do cause it is more attractive and he won't be different. I strongly believe God made us in his perfect image and thats the way it should be. Hope that helps. Good Luck in your decision.

Jessie - posted on 06/28/2010

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My son was circumsized because his father is. no real other reason and I would have been fine if he hadnt been. I think you should do what you as a mother feel is best for your child because even if it IS your first child, mother knows best. I learned this the hard way with my son. People (doctors, nurses, family) thought I was being a paranoid new mother on more than one occassion and I turned out to be correct each time. Ex: he devoloped breastmilk jaundice at 5 days old because he wasnt nursing often enough (he slept too much at first) and he had to turn yellow in the eyes before anyone would believe me, or when he had an umbilical hernia (I read about it in a book so my boyfriend/mother thought I was being paranoid) and had to have surgery at 2 months old for it. The point being, you know best for your child

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Well these days if you properly teach your son how to clean himself so that it doesnt get infected there isnt a problem, but the thing to remember is mostly cosmetic and when he is in school going in the urnal others will notice or he will notice he isnt like everyone else, then comes gym and showers, then comes marriage and sex........ It is a painful thing to do at a later date then when it is done when first born the baby doesnt remember the pain and the love and comfort of a mom takes away the pain quickly.... And also sometimes there is problems at a adult age that causes them to have to have it done anyway.. So I guess you really need to think why your not doing it....Not weather you should or shouldnt...

Ashley - posted on 06/28/2010

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I have all three of my boys circumcised but i am also aware that not being circumcised men have greater pleasure during intercourse. My husband isn't circumcised properly and looks as though he isn't at all.

Josie - posted on 06/28/2010

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I'm pretty sure your baby will be fine either way. For me personally, I thought why do this to my son if it's not medically necessary? I would never want to hurt my son for any reason. My husband is intact and has never had any problems. I think people using the excuse "it's easier to clean if they are circumsized" are just seriously misinformed. An intact penis doesn't take any longer to clean than a circumsized penis.

Chrissie - posted on 06/28/2010

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its so much more hygienic and in the past lack of circumsision has been linked to cervical cancer in women

~Jennifer - posted on 06/28/2010

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....so is "gunk" now a medical term?



Most newborns in the United States, whether delivered by midwife or obstetrician, will receive prophylactic eye ointment shortly after birth. Many parents, however, are opting not to have this treatment administered to their newborns. While prophylactic eye ointment is required by law in many areas, parents are free to forbid the treatment (and most other medical interventions) if they so choose.



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If the mother has been exposed to Chlamydia, syphilis, or gonorrhea, or if her status is unknown, prophylactic eye drops may be well-advised. The eye ointment can prevent infection from these bacteria that may be present in the birth canal. Prophylactic eye drops can also prevent infection from these and other germs in the air and on caretakers' hands. These infections can cause blindness in newborns, so if the newborn is at risk for exposure to these bacteria, prophylactic eye drops should be administered. It is important to note that there is some debate as to whether the erythromycin ointment actually prevents these infections (http://www.drjaygordon.com/development/p...) but findings are inconclusive. It is also important to note that the bacteria have been found in the eyes of newborns delivered by c-section. As these babies never passed through the birth canal, the bacteria may be transmitted through the air, or on the hands of nurses, doctors, and other caregivers.

Kerri - posted on 06/28/2010

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I am not pulling a we are better than you one, I was trying to get the point across about different cultures and how America does things different to Brits, whilst really being no better off for it. I think you are getting a bit over defensive about that one. You seem to think I am trying to make out Britain is superior, not at all! Just that America do things unnecessarily when they do not have to. It is well known in America circs are common whilst in Britain they are uncommon so I was simply making a point about the difference. I have a lot of midwifery books and there is a major difference in c-sec rates between uk and usa. They do intervene a lot quicker than we do and as far as I am aware from a book with statistics in, they perform a lot more episiotomies. I went 10 days overdue with my first and 13 days over with my second, by allowing me to go over to 13 days I gave birth naturally without any help whatsoever, in fact I even spared them a bed because she was so quick I had her in the hospital lift. In Britain we are also never checked for dialation during pregnancy, I think this is because it really has no bearing on whether you are going to go into labour since you can be at 3cm for months.
RE: THE BABY GUNK... I'm not sure what it is but they put this translucent liquid over babies eyes, I watch bringing home baby all the time because I am about to begin my training as a midwife and all the babies have it. My aunty had her little boy in America and he had it as well when he was born! I didn’t really understand why this was considered offensive by Ashley? Who made it sound like I had said all babies in America were ugly or something!
I know what I am saying will not change what anyone wants to do deep down. But explaining my opinion may help others decide? I think loureens posts have been very informative and summed up everything I feel myself. Really the only purpose besides religious reasons, is for 'looks'. Personally I don't see anything wrong with how an uncircumcised penis looks, although I am more than aware that a lot of women who have never come across one, do not like it,. This is ridiculous! Also I think Ashley might like to find the meaning of mutilation, if I cut away part of someone's vagina that is mutilation and same difference for a boy. In Africa the still practise female circumcisions, this may be a more extreme, but i’m sure everyone on here would question the reasons and purpose behind this which I suppose is how we feel about male circ in a more subtle way. If it's not for the good of their health then I just cannot understand reasoning’s behind actions. My son has never had a problem, neither have any males I know. People who are not around uncircumcised males may be a bit too quick to jump on the bandwagon with what everybody else is doing but I suppose it's their choice and the best anybody can do is reassure them that babies/boy and men seem to do just fine in where I live.

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My best friend has dated 3 guys all of who were not circum. Out of those 3 men, All had "Male problems" not saying that all men who are not circum have this problem, just the ones i know of. Basically the way the guys explain it, is the foreskin protects the penis, so when the time comes to have sexual contact it does not take much for them. They relieve themselves rather quickly do to their penis being sensitive, which has caused many problems in the relationships they have had with women.

As a parent, I think if you have done your research and feel comfortable with what you have learned, use that to make your decision. Best love and luck to you and your son!!

Ashley - posted on 06/27/2010

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@ Kerri Jones WOW! really your going to pull the whole lets put country vs. country ! thats disgusting! Uk vs. States? Really? I'm from Canada but I would never go and say States babies always have gunk in the eyes on tv. and our UK babies never do! I personally have twin boys neither are circumcised but its very common to have it done and DON`T start on Canadian babies and there sterotypes! I`m still considering having my boys done, there father is purely against not having it done. So it all depends on the person/family to decide. The people who don't have there babies circumcised should not be attacking the ones that do. Its not mutalation or barbaric!!!

Charlie - posted on 06/27/2010

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Well thats your very small corner of the world , im not hear to change your mind Sherri obviously you will not be swayed and i am never under the impression that a person who supports circ 100% will be convinced otherwise however the OP is asking for the pro's and cons , since i see no pro's to circ whatsoever i do feel for the sake of this discussion that any information given to promote circumcision i will wholeheartedly debate with facts presented from a worldly aspect ( majority being for an intact penis ) and not just my opinion based on what is aesthetically pleasing or traditional for me , i personally feel those are dubious reasons for permanent removal of any body part for cosmetic reasons without consent of the owner .

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Most men will always accept their circumcision , you cannot miss what you never had but thousands of men are in deep despair over the removal of their foreskin with many turning restoration and taking class action lawsuits , this is just one of many sites where many men are outraged at what was done to them http://www.sueeasy.com/class_action_deta...



Only men circumcised as adults can experience the difference a foreskin makes. In the Journal of Sex Research, Money and Davison from the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine reported on five such men. Changes included diminished penile sensitivity and less penile gratification. The investigators concluded,



Erotosexually and cosmetically, the operation is, for the most part, contraindicated, and it should be evaluated in terms of possible pathological sequelae.

Other men circumcised as adults regret the change , here are some of their opinions of being circed as an adult :



I play guitar and my fingers get callused from playing. That’s similar to what happened to my penis after circumcision.



After the circumcision there was a major change. It was like night and day. I lost most sensation. I would give anything to get the feeling back. I would give my house. [This man’s physician persuaded him to be circumcised by warning he could otherwise get penile cancer. When the man complained of the result, the physician replied, “That’s normal” and would not help him.



Slowly the area lost its sensitivity, and as it did, I realized I had lost something rather vital. Stimuli that had previously aroused ecstasy had relatively little effect. . . . Circumcision destroys a very joyful aspect of the human experience for males and females.



The greatest disadvantage of circumcision is the awful loss of sensitivity when the foreskin is removed. . . . On a scale of 10, the intact penis experiences pleasure that is at least 11 or 12; the circumcised penis is lucky to get to 3.



The sexual differences between a circumcised and uncircumcised penis is . . . like wearing a condom or wearing a glove. . . . Sight without color would be a good analogy. . . . Only being able to see in black and white, for example, rather than seeing in full color would be like experiencing an orgasm with a foreskin and without. There are feelings you’ll just never have without a foreskin.



After thirty years in the natural state I allowed myself to be persuaded by a physician to have the foreskin removed—not because of any problems at the time, but because, in the physician’s view, there might be problems in the future. That was five years ago and I am sorry I had it done. . . . The sensitivity in the glans has been reduced by at least 50 percent. There it is, unprotected, constantly rubbing against the fabric of whatever I am wearing. In a sense, it has become callused. . . . I seem to have a relatively unresponsive stick where I once had a sexual organ.

Nete - posted on 06/27/2010

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really?... wow that is so interesting
well I guess we can all consider ourselves fortunate that we live in the free part of the world and that we have choices to choose .... and debate and thank those that makes it possible

Julie - posted on 06/27/2010

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Read some articles on the men who hate their parents for having them cut and are seeking reconstructive surgery ... Why cut off something that likely won't bother him at all and he may even be angry to have lost?

My uncut 2 years/3 months child has NOT had any cleanliness or infection issues. He will be cut under 2 circumstances: 1 -medical necessity 2- HE wants it done.

Theresa - posted on 06/27/2010

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I find it interesting that people say leave it the way GOD intended. If you read the Bible GOD commanded the Israites TO circ all their males. Has nothing to do with weather it should be done now or not. I just thought it was ironic.

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