circumcision at birth

Cielo - posted on 06/02/2010 ( 149 moms have responded )

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How many of you circumcised their baby at birth? Is it advisable to have the baby circumcised at birth or wait for a child to have it at preschool?

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Minnie - posted on 06/02/2010

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I would never remove a healthy functioning body part from any human being. Unethical sexual abuse.



No point to it whatsoever. Infection? Clear it up with antibiotics. Don't circumcise the masses because a handful of men had to have it done.



Not your penis, not your choice.

Ava - posted on 06/02/2010

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I don't see the point. This talk about 'infections' is pretty ridiculous. To circumcise a boy and claim to believe in God simultaneously is a little insulting---it's like you're telling God his creation of the human penis is flawed. Either way, the skin over the head of the penis does not cause infections. There are a lot misconceptions about genitalia, like that douching makes you smell good---it actually puts a woman's PH out of balance and can make her smell worse; most aren't told the vagina is self-cleaning and will be clean as long as you drink enough water and don't use strange soaps down there. Same idea. Babies sometimes just get UTIs, even girls. Associating it with having a foreskin is pretty stupid. If anything, the foreskin is there to keep the head of the penis clean. There is a reduced amount of sensitivity later on in life from a circumcised male from the tip constantly rubbing against cloth directly. Not to mention, most studies agree women find uncut males feel better during sex. I will -never- circumcise my child under any circumstance. I find mutilating a baby's genitals to be completely wrong.

http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/

Jennifer - posted on 06/05/2010

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Like many other Mums on here I am AGAINST routine circumcision on boys for cosmetic or religious reasons. The foreskin is there for a reason, to protect the glans. My son is 11 and has never had a penile infection in his life and he only cleans what can be seen. No retraction yet as it is simply not necessary.

Some of you are so misinformed and arrogant it is a disgrace. The whole argument of a very outdated reason to prevent masturbation is laughable. Did you know that circ'd men masturbate more frequently than their intact counterparts? Not that I think masturbation is a sin anyway, but there you go.

It is not your penis to mutilate, so leave your son's genitals ALONE.

Oh, I did read in here that a Mum said to get it done to be more appealing to the son's future girlfriends. How shallow and positively VULGAR!

I hope they take the stance in the US that they have done here, y'all will be up in arms no doubt. Oh the horror at intact penis's.

Aileen - posted on 06/02/2010

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Don't Do It! I think it's the equivalent of circumcising a girl. Are you aware of how many nerve endings are in that little body part? Just teach your son to clean himself properly. Believe me when he is all grown up he will thank you for it and if he decides to become circumcised he can.

Mother of Two Boys

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Jodi - posted on 06/05/2010

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@ Kristen Marie, Jennifer, and others
You could have some respect for the OP and the moderators and choose not to respond at all. A moderator warned you that you should stay on topic in responding to the specific question asked by the OP, and you have chosen to disrespect that request. I am closing this thread, and I apologise to the OP on your behalf, but this thread has become nasty and judgemental and not a response to the OP at all.

Thank you
Jodi Adams
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Jennifer - posted on 06/05/2010

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Kristi : Just because this is "Circle of Moms" does that mean that other grown, informed and educated Mothers should be holding hands singing hippy songs and dolling out hugs? Pffffft, I doubt it. Some of us like to inform other Mothers who may not be educated on the risks of circumcision and also the reasons that it is now a very outdated and medically un-necessary and painful procedure! I haven't actually seen anyone attack any other member directly.

We have questioned people's attitudes, but not the person directly. Two very different and seperate things.

I have been present when a 6 week old baby boy was circ'd, because my best friend at the time didn't want to hear him scream. I was heavily pregnant with my son at the time and it was the most repulsive and horrific encounter I've ever witnessed on a baby.

Do not dare use the argument that little babies do not feel pain because it is evidenced that babies can feel pain in utero at around 20 weeks gestation. Those pain receptors do not cease stop working after birth. Even micro-premmies feel pain and their vital signs are indicative of this.

Cannot believe a moderator has had to give a warning. All topics deviate in nature, technically we are still on topic. I loathe people that get up in arms because someone else has challenged their narrow mind or their ingrained ignorance.

Enjoy living in your little utopian bubbles whereby your babies won't feel pain when they are being mutilated.

Elisabeth - posted on 06/05/2010

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@Kirsti Creely
I agree with Kristen Marie Troutmask. When do you think i should mutilate my childs genitalia, at birth or later? When should I push her down the stairs or punch her in the face? NEVER!!! thats when. I hope other people can give their children the same respect as myself and others against this procedure and against CHILD ABUSE!!!

Ursula - posted on 06/05/2010

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I agree with Corey....... dont...... whatever for..... mutilation is never a good thing.....

Djridley - posted on 06/05/2010

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This is very interesting, in Canada it is no longer the norm to have your son circumcised. The majority of families are choosing to not have it done and for the few that do they must look for a specialist and pay over and above their medical coverage.

Judith - posted on 06/05/2010

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It's advisable to wait until your son is old enough to decide if he wants it done. :)

User - posted on 06/05/2010

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@Kirsti Creely-
So if I asked the question "WHEN should I circumcise my baby girl?" or "WHEN should I cut off the breast of my baby girl to prevent cancer?" are you seriously telling me that you wouldn't have the gut reaction of "NEVER!!!"

Don't claim that "they are different," because they are not. They are all forms of useless mutilation against an innocent & unwilling child.

I'm sorry that I am against child abuse & that I won't sit back & be passive when someone asks a question of WHEN to abuse their child.

I am not judging the mother, actually, I am judging the procedure.

If you're honestly telling people not to judge, then you shouldn't have much to say yourself.

So, what do you think, Kirsti? When should I circumcise my baby girl?

User - posted on 06/05/2010

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To the moderator who said we have to "stick to the topic" of WHEN circumcision should be performed, not IF:

Absolutely not. If you wish to exercise facist censorship, go right ahead, but when someone says "When should I mutilate the genitals of my child?" I WILL respond "NEVER!"

Summer - posted on 06/05/2010

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Kirsti: This is not like a question of when is the best time to introduce solids or what to do if your kid wets the bed. Circumcision, for many of us, is seen as not only completely unnecessary but harmful. If a mother is unsure about whether or not to circ. her child or hasn't done it yet, we have every right on a public forum to give her the uncirc'ed side of the issue and perhaps pervent her child from having a part of his genitals cut off. This is not about whether to use a crib or a cosleeper or whether to use a pacifier or not. Would you be calling people judgemental if they gave their honest opinion regarding how to discipline a child and whether or not to spank or use time out methods? Or if it is okay to give a boy a doll and a girl a toy car? I think it is one thing to support one another when it comes to motherhood in general and the stress it can entail, but every mom is entitled to her opinions and every mom feels the need to educate others on what she has learned. I don't see anything wrong with true, honest discussion, especially about a very controversial topic. We should be outspoken and we should hear each other out and comment, even if we are disagreeing. Discussion does not mean agreement. I haven't read all the comments, although I have read many, and obviously there is a lot of passion on both sides, but I haven't come across any name calling or mudslinging.

Every question, especially one of a controversial nature, can likely end up opening a can of worms and I really don't see a problem with that. We need discussion if we are to get to the truth of anything or give someone who is unsure a lot to think about.

User - posted on 06/05/2010

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I have two boys, aged 4 and 1 and we chose not to circumcise either one. I don't have a problem with keeping either one clean. The way we look at it, it's their penis, they can make the decision. It's not medically necessary (in most cases). I hope that you do some search and make an informed decision. Take a look at http://www.nocirc.org/. There is some very compelling information there.

Stefanie - posted on 06/05/2010

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My advice is to NOT have it done. It is better to leave your son Intact. The foreskin is there for a reason, its protective of the highly sensitive part of the gland. The penis head and forskin are FUSED together at birth, like a nail on a finger. You are not even supposed to pull it back at all. It becomes unfused at about 8 years old. Its much easier to take care of when its intact. Just clean what you see. Its natural to keep the foreskin, If you are still unsure, take into account that no medical association recommends it. watch a video of one, it will change your mind most definitely.
http://www.drmomma.org/2009/10/dr-sears-...

Summer - posted on 06/05/2010

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First off my 4 year old son was not cut and neither was my husband nor my two grown brothers and they are all healthy, happy, and have never had problems with their penises. My dad was completely circumised as a baby and regrets that his parents had this done FOR him and this is why he agreed w/ my mom to not cut my brothers genitals and to leave the decision to them...did you know that you are taking away a boy's natural lubrication and protection when you cut? Did you know that an estimated 229 babies die each year in the U.S. from being cut?( http://www.cirp.org/library/death/)

Regarding those who think the baby does not feel pain in his penis, here is a quote from Dr. Sears: " The skin of the penis of a newborn baby has pain receptors completely sensitive to clamping and cutting. The myth that newborns do not feel pain came from the observation that newborns sometimes withdraw into a deep sleep toward the end of the operation. This does not mean that they do not feel pain. Falling into a deep sleep is a retreat mechanism, a withdrawal reaction as a consequence of overwhelming pain. Not only does circumcision cause pain in the penis, the newborns over all physiology is upset. New research shows that during unanaesthetized circumcision, stress hormones rise, the heart rate speeds, and valuable blood oxygen diminishes. Babies should never be subjected to the shock of unanaesthetized circumcision" (.http://www.askdrsears.com/html/10/t10150...)

Also: removing the foreskin will remove a lot of sexual pleasure from the boy later in life (kind of like why a girl woud get her genitals mutilated: to reduce pleasure). The foreskin has lots of nerve receptors and endings that make it very sensitive and further it protects the glans and lubricates it, causing the glans of the penis to be sensitive (since it reality, from the research I have done, it is not sensitive by itself).

When you cirumcise your baby, you are taking away a lot more than just skin. You are taking away protection for his glans, nerve endings and receptors (some 70,000), and a part of his genitals that is HIS, and unless a medical necessity, should remain his, especially when he is freshly born into the world and NEEDS it to protect his glans (which is why it cannot be retracted for a few years), and as a mother of an uncircumcised son -and a daughter...my son was easier to clean as a baby and now cleans his own penis (which takes all of 5 seconds).

http://www.drmomma.org/2009/10/dr-sears-...

User - posted on 06/05/2010

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Jennifer Montgomery - even people who want to make it illegal will still have a medical clause. Nobody is saying that if it is truly medically necessary (not even 1% of circumcisions today are medically necessary, your son is very rare) not to have it done. What people are objecting to is that most people are having it done without their child's consent (and one day that child will be an adult who might like to have his foreskin) as a cosmetic surgery with no medical benefits whatsoever.
For people who say it is cleaner, please be advised that women are a lot less clean with smega too, cervical fluid juices, yeast infections and blood. We are taught to clean ourselves. However, in other countries, women are completely circumcised so that they too will "smell sweeter" down there and be "more clean". Personally I would rather clean with soap and water, and take antibiotics if I get an infection than be circumcised. But that is just my own personal opinion.

Angela - posted on 06/05/2010

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lots of sources say the Jewish tradition of doing it on the 8th day is best. My decision has now gone from on-the-fence to not wanting to do it. I don't have any boys yet, but I don't think we'll be circumcising him when he eventually comes.

Kirsti - posted on 06/05/2010

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Oh come on, seriously??? When will people stop judging and criticizing others, based on their own OPINIONS. As mothers, do we not cop enough judgement and criticism from society as it is, without turning on each other? This post was started by someone who asked a simple question about timing. If you are not DIRECTLY answering that question, and are merely here to insult -- then go elsewhere. There are plenty of other forums you can fill with your judgemental dribble and cruel words! This is called CIRCLE OF MOMS. It is meant to be a site that we can use to ask questions and get constructive advice, along with a bit of support and encouragement! If you don't have anything nice to say - don't say anything at all!
The question was "WHEN" not "IF". So let's get that straight. Save your judgements, endless lists of links to pages of yet MORE people's OPINIONS, and biased pro's and con's lists, for a topic that is opened for that particular purpose!
No matter what you believe, you don't EVER have the right to attack another person's beliefs. Just as you feel you are entitled to YOUR opinions, you should also respect others' rights to THEIR opinions. If you can't do that, then what makes you think that anyone wants to hear what YOU have to say either??? Argh! :-/
To answer the ACTUAL question:
If you have decided to have your son circumcised - the earlier the better. Make sure you do your research and have it done by a professional with an excellent reputation. Follow all care instructions carefully and lastly, don't let all the negative, harsh, demeaning and judgemental comments in certain posts above, get to you. They made their choice - you have the right to make yours. Best of luck with whatever you decide! xo
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Catherine - posted on 06/05/2010

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Personally speaking, I don't think its advisable to circumcise your baby at all unless absolutely necessary, they will experience pain whenever you do it. I'm from the UK where circumcision is hardly heard of and my American husband and I decided not to circumcise our son (for me there was no doubt - for my husband, who is circumcised there was a little discussion). I don't believe that cultural norms and worrying about whether or not a boy is going to feel like 'the odd one out' are good enough excuses for basically mutilating your baby at birth. The medical reasons for doing so would only be well founded if there were serious medical issues in countries where circumcision is not the norm - there are none. I hope you make the right decision and one that is based on some good information from both sides.

Marie - posted on 06/05/2010

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Do it now!! The sooner the better! You baby wont remember it!! Good luck

Cari - posted on 06/05/2010

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You might be interested in what the Roman Catholic Church has to say about circumcision. The new (1994) Catechism of the Catholic Church at paragraph 2297 states in part:

"Except when performed for strictly therapeutic medical reasons, directly intended amputations, mutilations, and sterilizations performed on innocent persons are against the moral law."2

http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/cat...

I think God states pretty clearly what he thinks of circumcision.

Curved or crooked penises are very commonly caused by circumcision.

Lindsay - posted on 06/05/2010

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Most men/boys who have complications with the foreksin. Is because a uninformed parent or doctor retracted the foreskin before it was retractable. As long as you don't do that, there really should be no problem. Can the foreskin get infected, sure. But so can any other part of he body. Cutting off my pinky would completely eliminate my pinky from getting infected, but I still wouldn't remove it. We also remove no other part on a baby to prevent cancer as an adult. Not to mention penile cancer is one of the most rare cancers a man can get. I just don't understand why we apply this reduce infection/cancer on The foreskin and only the foreskin. Europes circ rate is almost non exsistant and you don't hear about infection of the penis taking over there. If your ped. Recommended your son be circ'd I'd ask why he is going AGAINST his OWN academy(AAP) and ever health organization to recommend the procedure. So to answer the question no good time is ever good to circ, unless it is medicial necessary(which is rare, many people are told they need to be circumcised by uniformed doctors). If we wait until medicial necessary it will then be like any other medical procedure, done only when NEEDED. If you look at stats In Europe you will find how rare it is to TRULY NEED a circumcision later in life.

Holly - posted on 06/05/2010

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How about leave the poor little guy's dingle alone and let him decide for himself when he's of age? There is no need to do it at all! Our little guy has all his parts and he is just fine, never had a problem. Please do a little more research, I think you'll find that is becoming more and more common to not do it at all. Not to mention, it is surgery and has risk of complications like bleeding, infection, and a botched job...

Emily - posted on 06/05/2010

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There is no medical reason to circumcise your baby. Circumcision is a cosmetic procedure. Also that is his penis. Don't you think he should make the decision for himself?

User - posted on 06/05/2010

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BABIES FEEL PAIN! Do not believe the myth that they cannot experience pain at this age - it was nonesense put around in the 20's by doctors that believed babies weren't fully developed humans when born. Watch some circumcision videos before getting it done, so you know what you are putting your child through and get educated and informed. Do not allow doctors to tell you it is painless - how could it be???? My ped will not perform this procedure, as it is NOT a medical surgery. Think about whether you believe you have the right to cut off a healthy part of your child's body.

User - posted on 06/05/2010

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So does the "do whatever is right for YOUR child" logic apply to female circumcision?
To avoid blatant hypocrasy it should apply, since some forms of female circumcision are MUCH tamer than what our male babies go through.

Aryana - posted on 06/05/2010

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Some of these comments are misinformed and laden with the propagnda of our time. PLEASE DON NOT CIRCUMCIZE YOUR SON! It is not neccessary, it is genital mutilation. There is a purpose for the foreskin. My son is intact. I have been teaching preschool for over 10 years. Many boys are intact, they won't be teased. It is painful at any time. It is something that should be HIS choice to do to HIS body. Any person who places their preference for a certain "look" or sexual function on their son is sick. Please become more educated before you do something that many boys have DIED from. PLEASE!!!

Diana - posted on 06/05/2010

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Definitely at birth. This way they don't remember the pain. I have a friend who just had a baby boy on May 16th and he actually slept thru his circ. Amazing!

Jaime - posted on 06/05/2010

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I had my son circumcised at birth....without a second thought...
I would never wait that long...they'd remember it! Yikes!

User - posted on 06/05/2010

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Pros:

In the rare event that your son sits around comparing genitalia with dad, they will "look the same," (even thought they won't because adult & child genitalia look different.)



May possibly slightly reduce the rare risk of infection, although circumcision produces MORE risk of infection than having a forskin does.



May possibly slightly reduce the risk of penile cancer, but the evidence is questionable & I would GREATLY reduce the risk of breast cancer if I had my breast cut off at birth. Should we enable this practice?



May possibly slightly reduce the risk of certain STDs, although again the evidence is questionable & in some cases has been dispelled. Does getting circumcised mean that you no longer need to use condoms? No? Then it is a pointless excuse.



Cons:

Circumcision poses a significant risk of the following issues (& remember that your personal anecdote of how your son or your friend's friend's son turned out just fine changes no medical evidence):

Erectile disfunction. There is a greater number of circumcised men reaching for Viagra when they reach a certain age; it is suspected because of the years of the glans rubbing against fabric, depleting sensitivity.



Reduced sensitivity (see above).



Scarring. My son's dad has been humiliated by the jagged scar on his penis, leaving him with a painfully tight & crooked erection. He has been harassed in the locker room about this more often than any of his uncircumcised friends.



Disfigurement. Operating on tiny genitals is difficult & mistakes are made. I have a few personal stories of men I have known who have sustained permanent injuries, but go ahead & Google the issue. "Botched circumcision" should lead to a plethora of information.



Pain, tightness. There is no way to know how large a penis will grow, so cutting off the forskin at birth can result in a tight & painful erection.



Shock, loss of blood. Some infants scream so hard at their circumcision that they pass out from lack of oxygen. Others still end up in emergency states from the loss of blood.



Pain. There is NO WAY to assure a parent that their child is not feeling the excruciating pain while having their forskin ripped away from the glans (it normally doesn't retract until later in life) then cut off. Watch a video of the procedure & you'll see an innocent baby screaming in terror. If a baby retreats into a silent state, it is also known as a state of shock. Newsflash: babies can feel pain.



Trauma. There is also NO WAY to guarentee that the baby "won't remember." Of course it's unlikely that an adult has a literal memory of the mutilation, but many trauma survivors block out their experiences. Studies have shown that circumcised men have more behavioral issues than uncircumcised men, assuming it's from the early trauma.



Reduced sexual pleasure. The forskin serves an important sexual purpose. Men who have forskin don't need lube. People whose partners have forskins often report greater satisfaction, due to the lack of lube needed & the friction & movement of the forskin.



Death. At least 100 babies die each year from circumcision complications. As many babies die from circumcision as they do from Sudden Infant Death syndrome.



Unnecessary. Many more children are circumcised than is actually necessary. It literally makes more sense to remove the breasts of female infants to prevent breast cancer.



It is much more dangerous to be circumcised than to have a forskin.



There was a recent uproar at the AAP's recommendation of allowing a "ritual nick" in the place of full female circumcision. This "nick" included taking a tiny slice out of the clitoris. This is admittedly less intrusive & harmful than male circumcision.



Why is a light version of female circumcision horrifying while a much more violent & equally unnecessary form of male circumcision is acceptable? Because our culture is as backward as those that practice female circumcision.



There is NO legitimate reason to circumcise ANY baby.



Do NOT say there are "medical benefits" because the SAME can be claimed for female circumcision. It's easier to clean, looks better, less infections. No child needs to go through this unnecessary cosmetic procedure. Many insurance companies will not cover the surgery because it is just that: cosmetic. & The AAP does NOT recommend circumcision. So don't do it.

Samantha - posted on 06/05/2010

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I didnt have my son circumcised at all. My pediatrician even told me there was no medical reason to do so and since the foreskin is fused at birth, its painful. Theres no reason to inflict that pain at all, we dont cut off part of our girls genitalia, so why would we do it to our boys? My 2 cents as the proud mom of an intact boy

Leah - posted on 06/05/2010

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Oh and I don't buy the whole "must look like his dad" thing. When is the last time you and your mom sat there and compared your vaginas? lol

Leah - posted on 06/05/2010

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Circumcision is an EXTREMELY painful procedure (try ripping off your own fingernails--it's about the same as that) and it is also rare for the doctor to use anesthesia. There is no medical reason to mutilate a baby's genitals.

Anyone who tells you that babies "don't feel pain" is lying out their wazoo. Think about it: do newborn babies cry when they get their vitamin K shot? Yes. Do they cry when they get their heel pricked for their PKU test? Yes. So why would anyone think that they magically don't feel pain in their penis? The foreskin of the penis is an extremely sensitive piece of flesh, it's purpose as a baby is to keep the penis clean, and it serves a major purpose during sex later on in life. It keeps the penis from rubbing against clothes and everything so that when it's time for sex, the penis isn't desensitized and it's not all dry.

My advice would be to SERIOUSLY research the issue before you decide. And I think that anyone who is going to have their baby's skin cut off should be have to watch a video of the procedure first before making their decision. If you can't sit through it--why would you want to do it to your beautiful, healthy, perfect, brand new baby boy?

Mandy - posted on 06/05/2010

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don't do it at all. Foreskin shouldn't be retracted until it does it itself then teach your son good hygene. I can assure in the UK where leaving it intact, the majority of the male population is NOT walking around with infections due to not cleaning themselves properly.

Miranda - posted on 06/05/2010

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I honestly want to say that its really up to YOU and what YOU think is best for you son. Like i said before, I had my sons done. I read all of the pros and cons of circumcised. but i still decided to have it done because to me growing up a circumcision penis is what i thought was natural. i thought uncircumcised penises were unnatural to me because honestly if you have brothers or cousins and you were taught how to change their diapers growing up then you were taught that is what a penis looks like.. even in school when they do pictures of the penis for anatomy. so i did what i thought felt natural to me. i understand that there are many mothers out there that are sooo against but thats because they learned from either experiences or it just what is part of their cultural. I honestly believe that we should not put mothers down for their beliefs because then all you are going to get is heated conversations and criticism. So in retrospect, do what you think is right for you son, whether its to have him circumcised or not!!!!

Krista - posted on 06/05/2010

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Like many others here, I am against routine circumcision. It is one thing if it becomes medically necessary, like if your child has phimosis. But that is quite rare.

My advice? Do not circumcise, and just keep your baby's penis clean in the bath with warm soapy water. Do not ever try to pull or force the foreskin back, as that can cause tearing -- in fact, this tearing is likely what causes most of the infections that the pro-circumcision crowd is talking about.

Miranda - posted on 06/05/2010

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my sons had their done when they were 3 wks old because they would not do them until they were about to be released from the NICU.. and they did the plastibell on them... which i believe is a better way to go... cuz it just falls off after few days and it doesnt hurt them...

Ruby - posted on 06/05/2010

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I am about 8 1/2 weeks pregnant with my first child, the father isn't around, but I have found a great guy who will help me out. I honestly don't know what the gender of my baby is right now, but depending on wherther or not I have a boy, I am considering getting cicumsion done for him as close to after his birth as possible. I've read every comment, and this post seems to be more of an argument than helpful. But many of you have shared your stories with other moms about your personal experience with cicumsion. @ Mary Hill, I fear myself that my baby may be born with a crooked penis, but what should I do if that is the case? I would really prefer to spare him the pain. And the nerve endings are developed just not completely, so whomever mentioned that they aren't developed, I've taken nursing, more specifically pediatric nursing. So with that, hopefully I am able to get more information frome either you ladies, or my local Roman Catholic Church that I attend. Well, thank you very much ladies for your insight, I'm sure many will find it helpful.

Desiree - posted on 06/05/2010

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I'd say that it is advisable to protect the genital integrety of your son just as fervently as you would protect a daughter's. Circumcision is an outdated and barbaric practice that should be eliminated. If it is to be done at all, it should be the son's choice as an adult. I read a quote about a man who got the cut as an adult after moving to America, and he said the difference in sensitivity could be likened to the difference between the feeling of the tongue while uncut, and the feeling of a cold nose cut. Boys should be protected from ritual sacrifice as well as from cosmetic surgery just the same as girls should. We were made just as God intended us to be...

Cari - posted on 06/05/2010

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More babies die from circumcision each year than they do of SIDS. Why take the risk? It's not your penis, it's not your decision. It's no necessary. And if I see one more person who spouts off about them not feeling pain and how the brain doesn't have nerve connections to the penis one more time, I'm going to scream. Our brains and bodies are FULLY developed. Why would the foreskin, of all things, be the only one with no nerve connections? Please, your ignorance is showing. I have seen a circumcision. It is brutal and horrific. If you have any doubts, watch one. There are plenty of them on the web. Less than 4% of all babies are given anything, even tylenol, for pain. And the dorsal nerve block is largely ineffective in most babies. Don't fool yourselves into thinking this is just a "little snip". The foreskin is attached to the penis like your nail is to your finger. It is fused to it until, for most, puberty. Leave your sons' penises alone. I'm sure you'll be thanked for not removing 1/3 of his penile skin. Just sayin.

When intact, dont retract, only clean what is seen.

Antionette - posted on 06/05/2010

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I most definalty would never have my son done.

Not for any reason.

And the penile cancer argument is a stupid one. Men are more prone to penile cancer in their 70's. So why cut of a perfectly healthy functioning piece of your sons penis at birth.

Also, i've had more infections (thrush) that any man i know who has a foreskin. Maybe i should be stripped out!



Circumcision in the UK is rare.. The only man i know in my life to be circumcised, is my husband. And he's from the US.



End of it all. Its a parents own choice. But medically, there are no benefits!

Kalah - posted on 06/05/2010

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It's not advisable to do it at all anymore. No major medical organization in the world recommends routine newborn circumcision. It is cosmetic genital surgery on a baby that is too young to consent. It is every bit as painful for a baby as it is for an older male, they just can't defend themselves. I'm a nurse and I'm sorry to say I've assisted with hundreds of newborn circs. It is painful and damaging. I no longer assist with the procedure unless it is a boy old enough to want it done. Babies have the right to genital integrity.

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"Interesting! In our state of Australia, it is more common to be circumsised than not"

I'm sorry, but that is total crap. It is MUCH more common for little boys to be intact.

The current rate for circumcision Australia wide is about 12%.. thats a LONG way off being 'the norm'.

Seperate states have higher (and lower) rates, but once again I wouldnt call 19% which is QLD (at the highest rate) a common thing to have done. (the lowest rate is 1% in TAS in anyone is interested)

You should really get a handle on your facts before giving out false information on something so crucial.

Katie - posted on 06/05/2010

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but for those too brainwashed to give intact a try here are some quotes from that blog :)

* The intact penis is naturally clean. The common view of the penis or the foreskin as ‘dirty’ is unscientific and irrational.

* Just as the eyelid protects the eye, the foreskin protects the glans, keeping its surface soft, moist, warm and sensitive. It also maintains optimal warmth, pH balance, and cleanliness. The glans itself contains no sebaceous glands – glands that produce the moisturizing oil that our skin needs to stay healthy

* The foreskin adds more to the penis than just increased sexual functioning and pleasure. It keeps your baby’s penis safe, warm, clean, and moist. It allows the baby’s glans (head) to complete its development normally. The glans is meant to be an internal organ, covered and protected from the outside world.

* "My wife and I were worried in case our son got an ear infection. The solution. We cut off his ears!"

Katie - posted on 06/05/2010

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I didn't go as in-depth about the benefit of foreskin as much :P it seems many mums have already done that but if thats not enough yous just check this out :) PEACEFUL parenting :) it's all about whats best for baby :) which IS having a foreskin :D

http://www.drmomma.org/2010/06/effective...

my baby luckily for him, was born in Europe :) and left untouched like everyone else :) everytime i hear about mums on here circumcising their little boys i feel so sorry for them. victims of genital mutilation and sexual abuse

can't wait to see the day that circumcision gets banned!!

Katie - posted on 06/05/2010

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I hate circumcision. It's sexual mutilation and abuse. Foreskins are designed to PROTECT the head of the penis. and aid it in sexual pleasure.

Sorry like, but people infuriate me sometimes. 'it's a personal choice' I've heard mums say 'no its not! its not your body! and your taking away another human beings right to a healthy and enjoyable sex life' not to mention your ripping the skin off the head of the penis :/ OUCH!? ITS THERE FOR A REASON!

I also hate the 'my husband wanted our sons penis like his..' SICK man D-: if your husband had his leg cut off would you go and cut your newborn babys leg off NO

I've also read a few comments on here talking about how it will be traumatic to do it later and about the pain. the big question WHY DO YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR NEWBORN BABIES IN PAIN

Circumcised penises are vile and unnatural looking. My favourite part of my boyfriends willy is his foreskin :P

Sandra P and Lisa M :) Loved your comments :D

INTACTIVIST OUT

Morag - posted on 06/05/2010

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If you choose to get it done, you owe your child enough to go watch the procedure done first. There are vids on you tube. Remember no health organisation in the world advocates circumcision. It's very cultural. I'm in Europe, we never routinely circ our sons. Ask yourself this, if your son was a daughter, would you remove part of her clitoral hood if it wasn't necessary? Probably not. Yet it has all the same connotations for many cultures as male circ does for the US. There is absolutely nothing wrong with circumcision. However, what people generally disagree with is the fact that the sexual organ is basically damaged surgically without the owners permission. Anyone who touches, or hurts a childs sexual organs is considered a child molester. Give him a doctors certificate and the permission of his parents and it's considered fine. If your son wants it done, he can have it done when he is older.

What you must remember though if you do choose this path is that it is far more risky at birth than as they age. Smaller babies are more prone to infection, but more than that they have less blood in their bodies. A hemorrhage, even a small one will kill your child in under an hour. With the super absorbant diapers around, you are unlikely to notice until he has lost too much blood. Leaving it to later means that your son will have more blood in his body so if it was bleed, he is less likely to suffer severe blood loss. It isn't any more painful. Normally when the newborn is brought back sleeping, he's not, he's unconscious from the shock. Circ'd babies suffer breastfeeding problems, and have more of a pain reaction at their vaccinations because of the stress he is placed under.

As with any medical procedure, go do some research. Consult risk factors and remember, the ONLY thing that stops people getting STD's is a condom. Not cutting off part of the penis.

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Why are you trying to make a decision about unneccesarily cutting off a part of another human beings's body? It's your sons body, not yours. Leave the decision to him.

Jennifer - posted on 06/04/2010

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If you are planning on getting a circumcision then definitly do it when he is born. I wanted it done but it didnt get done(long story).Well my son started having problems and at the age of 7 he had to undergo surgery to be curcumcised.His skin was actually soo tight that it was causing pain and difficulty urinating.So of course I wouldnt let my child go through that. When they are newborns it a little snip in the office or hospital.When they are older its surgery and they have to be put under anasthesia. So if i were to have another boy i would do it right away. More and more people are not doing it anymore, with no complications. So its your personal choice. I just would not wait if you kno that you are going to have it done.
And about somebody saying it should be illegal or something. Im glad that its not or else my son would be in 24 hrs a day in pain and not being able to urinate keep getting bladder infections cause he cant pee because of the pain.And for somebody to say they wouldnt get it done under any circumstance. So you would rather your son bee in pain every day or fix the problem and have them be in pain for a wee and then go away completely.Dont wana argue I was just saying. Well Cielo its your child and your choice, good luc with the new baby!!! :)

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