N1 H1 vaccine

Sarah - posted on 10/21/2009 ( 82 moms have responded )

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Have we not heard enough about this one? yes but what choice have you made?



I live in Italy with my 5year old, who has suffered most of his toddler years from Bronco-Ahsma, so he's more susceptible to bronchial afflictions. He has been hospitalized at age 3 with "silent Pneumonia"



You can see why I'm hesitating on taking this decision.



H1 N1 / SWINE FLEW VACCINE, is still not available in this country (Italy).



Any thoughts?

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Sarah - posted on 10/22/2009

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I hope that I can help to clear up some of the confusion regarding flu vaccines. I actually worked on the regulatory finling that was required to get FDA approval of FluMist, which is the flu vaccine that is given by nasal spray. There was 20 plus years of government research done on that vaccine even before the company acquired it and got it approved. There is a lot more experience in people with the injections than with FluMist because the injection has been around longer. However, the process to make the two (growing virus in chicken eggs) is very similar. Both contain the same three influenza virus strains, which are selected by the CDC each year. The major difference between FluMist and the injections is that FluMist does not contain the preservative Thimerosal (the source of the mercury in the injection) because it contains live, modified virus instead of "dead" virus like in the injection. Both work the same way, though, in that when you are exposed to the flu virus your body already has antibodies to the virus, which it made when you got vaccinated. Therefore, your body is already prepped to fight the invading flu virus and kills it off before it makes you sick.



The swine flu vaccine, both the spray and injection, are made in the EXACT same way as the vaccines that have already been given to millions of people. The only difference is that the seasonal flu vaccine has three different flu virus strains and the swine flu vaccine has one flu virus strain. That's it! The process was already previously approved by FDA and that is why they didn't need to take a long time to approve the new vaccines. The only thing "new" about them is the different strain, which in itself has nothing dangerous about it because it's either dead or modified so it doesn't infect you and make you sick.



Also, it is typically not the flu itself that kills you but complications from the flu, such as pneumonia. The flu weakens your immune system and makes you vulnerable to other illnesses. The vaccine does not weaken your immune system but boosts it so that you are ready to fight off the virus. Your body makes the antibodies when it is HEALTHY, not sick and trying to the fight the virus. That's a good thing!



I understand that people want to do what is best for their children and family. I have a 5 year old and 10 month old twins. My husband is a police officer and when the swine flu first came on the news I made him remove his clothes and shower as soon as he came home from work. I was definitely fearful for the health of my children. And when my twins recently had symptoms my husband and I had trouble sleeping because we kept checking on them all night.



However, PLEASE try looking at this issue from a different perspective. This is a PUBLIC HEALTH issue and is not restricted to your immediate circle of family and friends. What if you and your family getting vaccinated were to prevent someone from dying, whether it's someone you know or a stranger? I'm being melodramatic, but this is truly a situation where if we all do our part then we can collectively reduce the impact of a disease that can have very serious consequences.

Erin - posted on 10/21/2009

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Just wanted to respond to Sesame. This information is incorrect. It has been tested as extensively as the seasonal flu vaccine that comes out every year. Not sure how this rumor got started but it's untrue. The CDC is recommending this vaccine for all chilren under 11 and pregnant women. While I agree that if it's not availabe, not to worry. It is important to get vaccinated once it becomes available, not just to help keep your own loved one from getting sick but to help society at large contain the spread of the disease.

Catherine - posted on 10/22/2009

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I am not a conspiracy theorist but i don't remember when i was growing any hype abot flu shots.the thing we must remember is to be proactive not reactive.Make sure your children are eatting healty lots of fruits and veg lots of fluid.My 3 xhildren have just gone through having the flu and it doesnt matter which flu.flu is flu my youngest being 19 mths old.no we did not get any vaccines .I am going to get a lot of people upset but i don't beieve n tis crazy washing of hands and germ fighting.yes wash your hands but some germs are good for you.my oldest child brought ome the flu from school someone as coughing on her.when i was growing up i was taught when you sneezed or coughed you use a hanky sorry but tats my view i guess i am just old fashioned there remedies seem to work best

Cindy - posted on 10/22/2009

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Before weighing in on whether or not to get the H1N1 shot, people need to do their research. There are a ton of misconceptions out there. First of all, the H1N1 shot has no live virus and cannot cause you to get the flu. The nasal mist does have a small amount of live virus but is safe; although, not as effective as the shot & contraindicated for pregnant women. Therefore, you could still end up with the flu but not because you got it from the vaccine. Still, it is better than nothing. I am 34 weeks pregnant with twins and got the regular flu shot a little over a month ago. Now, I am waiting for the H1N1 shot to be available in Houston. As soon as it is, I will be getting it & so will my 2 1/2 yr old son. Not only will it protect me, but it will protect my twins who will be born in the height of flu season & this is the only way to protect them because you can't vaccinate infants. There have been several women who have died in the past few months because they contracted H1N1 while pregnant. There are many more currently fighting for their lives in hospitals, unable to hold their newborns. And, no, the regular flu shot will not protect you from H1N1. Don't let the hysteria of uniformed people stop you from getting the vaccine. You need to be talking to your doctors.

Laura - posted on 10/22/2009

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In response to Ellana's statement that the h1n1 flu shot is "very dangerous": Do your homework and stop spreading incorrect information to people who are already scared! The h1n1 vaccine uses the same process as the seasonal flu vaccine and should only be absolutely avoided by those folks who are allergic to eggs. The rest of us then have a choice as to whether or not we should be vaccinated. So far the reactions to the h1n1 shot have been reported as being the same as for the sesonal flu shot (check the CDC website for information on it). One should always discuss the pros and cons with a doctor, especially if a child has a pre-existing health condition that puts them at a higher risk for complications. Beyond that it is up to the parent whether or not to vaccinate (the kids or themselves!). The rest of your advice, Ellana, about using some supplements and a healthy diet is very sound! We follow that at our home and usually get over illnesses with few complications (even me, and I have asthma!). This year, however, my daughter will be getting the h1n1 flu shot being offered through the school, provided she doesn't get the flu from her classmates who have already gotten sick with it!

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Julie - posted on 10/26/2009

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H1N1 is now considered a community based virus like the seasonal 'Flu (the 'Flu season is just starting in Canada/USA and ending in Australia). The majority of people are recovering in about 7 days, but people with pre-existing conditions (pregnancy, asthma, obesity) are at risk of severe complications. While the H1N1 pandemic is currently mild, it is definitely worth considering the vaccine is you are in one of the high risk groups (won't protect against seasonal 'Flu). Your Doctor should be able to advise when the vaccine is coming/if you are in a high risk group. Handwashing and / or sanitizer is the best defense, try and stay 3-6 feet from sick people, keep windows open in the house if you can and get plenty of rest/eat well.

Lacey - posted on 10/24/2009

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Go to www.drjaygordon.com/development/news/swinefluhighanxiety.asp



It presents an excellent article from a very renowned doctor who writes candidly about the H1N1 and flu vaccines in general. I guarantee you it will not scare you nearly as much once you read his article. However that being said, there is one concern that he states and I too am concerned a bit about this particular flu shot... is that it is one of the first made with an adjuvant. An adjuvant helps to trigger a strong immune response.



For some , (mostly children) this could be very dangerous and overstimulate their immune system . Such events can cause auto immune triggers etc...

it is just important to weight the risks and benefits. If you or your child is considered high risk because of underlying medical issues, you may benefit from having the vaccine. If not...you may want to take your chances . If you do get it, you'll at least have a life long immunity to it, and any mutations it might take.

Melissa - posted on 10/24/2009

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If it is not available there yet.Then, at least take him to get the seasonal flu shot.They say that helps alot as well.Anyway, this vaccine is so new still.No telling what it could do to small children.I'm on the fence about giving it to my two small children.But got them the flu shot!And, we have the vacine here in america.But it's limited!I hope for the best for you and your family!Take Care

Candace - posted on 10/24/2009

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My Dr, who I trust completely, recogmends that I try to get the vaccine for my boys 4 & 18 months. It is made the same way the seasonal flu shot is made (part of the reason it was able to be produced in a "short" amount of time) and he will be giving it to his children. He also wanted us to not panic if we couldn't get the vaccine just to be aware of symptoms and to track them carefully if one of the boys does get sick.

Michelle - posted on 10/24/2009

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Quoting Debbie:

I want to respond to Elise... sorry, not familiar with these boards... I wanted to say that while it's true that a lot of people who are getting the swine flu are having a mild time of it, but think about those children who have died. Eleven young children have died in my area recently and I'm worried. Elise, all I'm saying is don't let your guard down. Even if everyone near you is is not having a hard time of it, you never know.. Plus, who knows about what's to be next year. Sorry to sound negative.



I agree with Debbie. I live in Michigan (which is considered a "hot spot" for H1N1) and I am struggling with whether to vaccinate or not. My children have received their regular flu shots; however, the H1N1 vaccine won't be in until the end of this week. I am now leaning toward having my children receive the H1N1 vaccine because of all of the related deaths. The news reported that there have been at least 86 deaths amongst children! ONE death is too many in my book. I just keep thinking that if my children were to contract H1N1, it might not be a "mild case". Then what? I heard a physician on the news speak to this issue and he said, "Vaccines are meant to protect our children; why would a parent not vaccinate their children?"



Good question. I understand that this vaccine is new and that's scary...but, what might be the alternative?



Could we, as mothers and fathers, live with ourselves if our children died from the H1N1 because we did not  vaccinate them?



Debbie, I do not think that you are being negative at all. You are being realistic, as I am.



 



 

Robbin - posted on 10/24/2009

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I am an asthmatic as well as 3 out of 4 of my children, ages 1,2, & 9. To think that if they got H1N1 the possiblities of death are very real. So getting a vaccine, and one that they modify every year to the changing strain of the flu virus, seems safer then death. I think that is what parents seem to forget about. There is tons of documentation stating that H1N1 is going after kids, what if your kid has a preexisting condition that you don't yet know about? Are you really willing to risk their lives over your insecurities to vaccines? A few days of feeling under the wheather from the vaccine verses having your baby in the hospital or dead? I choose the vaccine.

Lois - posted on 10/24/2009

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I suggest working with the pediatrician to acsertain the best strategy for your son. They do have a regular influenza vaccine as well as one for pneumonia. Pneumonia is the deadly outcome of the virus so it may be helpful to look into those avenues. I would also suggest the nebulizer treatments to keep the lungs clear during the flu months, your doctor will provide the best guidance in this situation. Best wishes and my prayers.

Erin - posted on 10/24/2009

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About the H1N1 flu and the immunization. The shots for this were made up just as the normal flu shot would be every year. The fact that this virus popped up in April instead of last October-December is what fast tracked everything. Most people will recover from it with no problems but there are a lot of people who will not. I suggest checking out the Center for Disease Control website and doing some fact oriented research.
As far as there being mercury in the shots...so do any multi-dose vials of any other flu vaccine or multi-dose vial of any vaccination. It is in there as a preservative to prevent contamination. FOR YOUNG CHILDREN...there are single dose vials that DO NOT contain this preservative. You need to ask for this when they get the shot. I know it's not available where I live yet.

Nicole - posted on 10/24/2009

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dear friends,

In trinidad the vaccine is not yet available and we have had deaths resulting from h1n1.We have to ensure that persons displaying symptoms practise proper hygiene and stay away from others..i.e. stay home! Kids with asthma who get it are more likely to have respiratory distress and require treatment at hospital. Look out for fever 100 degrees and over, dry cough and a rash .Sore throat and runny nose are common with the regular flu but not with h1n1. Severe body aches are also present.

Sherry - posted on 10/23/2009

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the doctors here in Canada have determined that the vaccine is safe for toddlers but must be administered in 2 doses, Check with your doctor, the vaccine reaction will be less of a problem than the flu. If as many people as possible get the vaccine they may be able to stop this pandemic in its tracks

Char - posted on 10/23/2009

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Yes you should talk to your Dr about getting it. I got it 2 weeks ago and my daugher who is 4 got it last week. I work as a health care provider and feel it is very important. If you have questions on the vaccine and how safe it is check out The New York Times under Heath. They have a very good article on it and how it is safe, and why people need it. In my town, in Colorado there are people on life support for it. And according to the article 19 children died in the US last week with it. At least learn the facts and don't listen to other people I am just scared of the vaccine rote. Take care

Christine - posted on 10/23/2009

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Hi, I would definitely think twice about giving your child the H1 N1 Vaccine. I think it is very 'suspicious' that they have come up with an injection for the swine flu so quickly when there are other illnesses out there that have been around for years that still do not have a vaccine. I strongly believe that this is NOT the answer.

Vernie - posted on 10/23/2009

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Thoughts? I have 3 children. The oldest is 43. She was vaccinated as a child for small pox, her brother and sister were not. When I questioned my Dr.as to why the younger 2 were not being vaccinated, this is what he told me: "When the danger of illness/death from getting the vaccine becomes greater than the danger of illness/death from contracting smallpox, then you no longer get the vaccine. There is a danger of getting Guillain-Barre Syndrome from the vaccine. It is a serious neurological disease. My advice to anyone with concerns re: the vaccine would be to find out the "odds". In your case, you said your child is asthmatic, so he is at a greater risk than the general public. Therefore, I would find out all I could re: the likelihood of getting Guillain-Barre Syndrome from the vaccine, and all I could find out regarding how many people died from contracting the flu. Look at the numbers from the past, especially the 1970's (the last time there was a swine flue outbreak). How many contracted Guillain-Barre Syndrome from the vaccine? How many suffered severe complications from not being vaccinated against the flu? The answer to those 2 questions should dictate whether you risk the danger of not being vaccinated, or whether you risk the danger of contracting Guillain-Barre Syndrome. There is danger either way. As there is in most of life.

Katie - posted on 10/23/2009

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Our family will definitely NOT be getting the flu shot, seasonal or H1N1. The seasonal has not proven effective in preventing hospitalizations or deaths in any age group. The H1N1 has far too many unknowns. If you read the package insert, you will notice that it states:
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(H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or Fluzone vaccine. It is also not known whether these
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capacity. Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman
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Words to this effect are found on each package insert for every kind of H1N1 vaccine.

It also contains questionable ingredients: squalene (known to cause infertility in animals, but UNKNOWN if it has the same effect in humans); mulit-dose vials have thimerosol (mercury); formaldehyde; egg proteins; antibiotic; gelatin; sucrose (sugar). This is not a product I want injected into my body.

Natasha - posted on 10/23/2009

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My family and I will definitely get the H1N1 vacine when it is available. Both my daighter and I suffer from asthma and want to try and prevent it from coming into our home as much as possible. We live in the Middle East where respiratory related illnesses are very prevalent so not taking any chances.

I am not normally too keen on vaccinations but feel quite different about this instance.

Kristi - posted on 10/23/2009

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I have done some research on all vaccinations. They are all dangerous. AS FOR MY FAMILY WE DON'T TAKE VACCINATIONS OF ANY KIND. In1976 there was a SWINE FLU epidemic so this is not the first to ever happen and more people died from the vaccine than from the flu. Autism, ADD, and ADHD are linked to the childhood vaccinations some children have even died from them. the vaccination companies will not tell you this because they make lots of money. I had it out with my peditrican he threw it up in my face about Moses and the serpent. He tolod me not to tempt God and I should vaccinate my child. Will that story had nothing to do with vaccinations for 1 and 2 God would not want use to put foreign objects or medication into our bodies.

Heather - posted on 10/23/2009

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We're not getting the vaccine. We have chosen not to vaccinate our son. I'm going to make sure we all eat well, we'll take our vitamins, and I've stocked up on Sambucol. After that we hope and pray for the best. I think that we over vaccinate and it ends up doing more harm than good. just my opinion.

Christi - posted on 10/23/2009

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Dianne, Thank you for this information. I also live in AZ and would like to know the name of the medication that you took. This has nothing to do with conspiricy theroies or any of that. My family and I choose not to take the H1N1 vaccince as our dr doesnt recommend it at this time. but I would still like to put some barrier between my kids and that illness. Thank you for the information.

Dianne - posted on 10/23/2009

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Hi there, I'm in Arizona and have found a homeopathic version of the H1N1. It's kept me healthy even tho both my kids got it (before I knew about the homeopathic) and I also work at an elementary school. You might want to go online and see if there is a local naturopath who might carry something like that. Good luck!

Erin - posted on 10/23/2009

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Just wanted to respond to Sesame. This information is incorrect. It has been tested as extensively as the seasonal flu vaccine that comes out every year. Not sure how this rumor got started but it's untrue. The CDC is recommending this vaccine for all chilren under 11 and pregnant women. While I agree that if it's not availabe, not to worry. It is important to get vaccinated once it becomes available, not just to help keep your own loved one from getting sick but to help society at large contain the spread of the disease.



Soooo true!  I don't know why people are as afraid as they are.....the media?  But, the regular, seasonal flu shot is not always the same shot each and it's not tested all year long.  It's made very quickly at the end of the year and made in the same fashion as the h1n1.  

Nancy - posted on 10/23/2009

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I have just skimmed through the replies to this scared mother and am outraged by all the inaccuracies in the majority of the quotes. I suggest that Sesame not listen to any of you but check with her health care professionals. I feel sorry for any of you who think that you are supplying facts, but are instead feeding into the pandemic of fear and mistrust of our health care systems. Yes, it's true that there are certain side-effects to medicine. Yes, it is true that the vaccine seems new to us. Yes, it is true that many of us will contract this relatively new virus. My advice to Sesame is to not rely on messages from people you don't know (we don't know the backgrounds of anyone who posts) and begin listening to your and your son's doctors and medical concerns.

Jessica - posted on 10/23/2009

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It seems to me that Flu shots - as well as flu viruses effect everyone differently. People with a good immune system can handle flu shots no problem. THey also recover easily from the flu. People with poor imune systems tend to get very sick when given a flu shot, and could die of the flu if they got it so it's really hard to blanket-statement the whole thing.

Jennifer - posted on 10/23/2009

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To Erin Royer-Asrilant : Did you forget to mention some H1N1 Vaccines have mercury in them? I have a friend who is a microbioligist and she and she has been researching the info for months and found out some have mercury. I hope you don't get the one with it. make sure you ask you doc before you give it to your child.

Bonnie - posted on 10/23/2009

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We have an egg and milk allergy. It is not advised that my 9mo old get the vaccine. Even so I believe that the vaccine is unnecessary as its not tested. We might not get the disease at all. Then again we might. However until I let everyone else be a guinee pig I will not have my children be one!

Nancy - posted on 10/23/2009

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Just had my son who is 10 get the vaccine..he suffers from asthma, so he was in the high risk category. He did show some side effects from the shot(just like the effects from the regular flu shot), so keep that in mind if you do get the vaccine.

Shannon - posted on 10/22/2009

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I am the only one in my family who has had the H1N1 vaccine and I chose to do it because I work with a high risk population (pregnant women) and do not want to pass something on to them. My entire family has had the regular flu shot, though, except my husband and he got the flu. A mixture of handling money after sick people and not being as diligent as he should be with hand hygiene, I'm sure. Because I practice strict hygiene at home with the kids, I am in no hurry to get them vaccinated for H1N1 although I do think it is a good idea. There is so much conflicting data, though that I would talk to your pediatrician before making any final decisions. Because it is not yet available in your country, I wouldn't stress about it and just practice really good hand hygiene in your household and be liberal with Lysol wipes. Once it does become available, your doctor's advise is far better than any one of ours. Also, make sure your research is from appropriate websites such as the CDC website, World Health Organization website or medical research colleges websites that have studies involved.

Amber - posted on 10/22/2009

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I'm pregnant and just got the shot today, i have never had any flu shot before. where i live it is only available to pregnant woman and health workers at this time my youngest daughter has a blood clotting disorder and both my children will be getting the shot. i have not had any symptoms how ever that is not to say that no one will, every one's body is different and every one reacts to things differently. most definitely speak with your doctor about your child getting the vaccine, i believe they will advise you to do so especially since he has asthma. unless your child has had complications with a flu shot in the past or is allergic to eggs.



please do research and speak with your doctor.

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I think there is not alot known about this vaccine and until there is my grandson is not going to get it at 20 months. The regular flu shot is good enuf!

Melody - posted on 10/22/2009

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I'm all for getting my son the H1N1 flu shot but don't think he's going to be able to get it. My son suffers from asthma and weak lungs. That concerns me greatly when I think about him getting this flu. The thing is that my son also has many allergies including eggs. Flu shots are cultured in eggs. The fertilized egg is injected with the flu. When it's been in there long enough they kill the virus and suck out the liquids to make the vaccine. I've talked to his allergist and was told that the risks of him not getting the shot outweigh the risks of him getting it. Doctors in my town refuse to give it to him knowing he's allergic to eggs. I've got him on a waiting list at the allergist to get the shot but knowing his allergy i'm scared for him to get it. It's a toss up I guess. Give him the shot and pray he doesn't have a severe allergic reaction or don't give it to him and have him be one of the kids that die from lung complications from getting the flu. Very scary!

Janet - posted on 10/22/2009

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I wanted to learn more about what goes into vaccinations and so forth and was recommended by many moms this site...http://www.mercola.com/ I saw the clip about H1N1 and it has changed my thoughts about giving my children vaccinations. Unfortunately I already got seasonal flu shots done for my kids this year...but I decided not to give them the H1N1 vaccine. Take a look at it and hope that it helps.

Shelly Rae - posted on 10/22/2009

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Quoting Sarah:

N1 H1 vaccine

Have we not heard enough about this one? yes but what choice have you made?

I live in Italy with my 5year old, who has suffered most of his toddler years from Bronco-Ahsma, so he's more susceptible to bronchial afflictions. He has been hospitalized at age 3 with "silent Pneumonia"

You can see why I'm hesitating on taking this decision.

H1 N1 / SWINE FLEW VACCINE, is still not available in this country (Italy).

Any thoughts?


 

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Celvapan is the vaccine manufactured by Baxter. Isn't that the one you're raising concerns about?

http://www.baxter.com/about_baxter/press...



BTW - I completely agree with you that the German government screwed up with their ordering different versions of the vaccine for the military and for the general public (though not because I think adjuvants are dangerous).

Felisa - posted on 10/22/2009

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Quoting Jenifer:



Quoting Felisa:




Quoting Jenifer:





Quoting Felisa:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17458061/Baxte...

It is your choice, but make it an informed one. Check out the good AND the bad.









Sorry, but I don't understand what this has to do with anything. You do realize that there are multiple H1N1 viruses, right? That's a subtype, not a distinct name for the current pandemic virus. The seasonal flu vaccine has contained an H1N1 component for years, and "swine flus" may be of the H1N1, H1N2, H3N2, etc variety. The current 'H1N1 swine flu' curculating just happens to be very different from previous H1N1 swine flus, and that's why people are particularly susceptible.













If you can't see what this link has to do with anything, then it doesn't concern you.  It's all about the stories we are being told.  The patent application for the CURRENT H1N1 vaccine, for the "pandemic" that they just announced this summer, was actually submitted two years ago.  How did they know we were going to have this pandemic at that time?  Also, the patent explains how the vaccine is made, including the toxins that you claim are not in it.  It doesn't matter how many strains are out there.  What matters is the content of the vaccine, the effects it has on some, and the fact that we are consistently being lied to about so many things.  I have previously posted the fact that the H1N1 virus is a Type A strain, so yes, I am aware.  It is also not just the "swine flu", as you must know, since you know all this other information.  It is a combination of the swine flu, the Avian flu, and a couple of human strains.  Some scientists say it was created in a lab.  Your posts sound like they are coming from the CDC. 









Mind pointing me towards the paragraph that makes you think this is a patent application for the current pandemic H1N1 vaccine? As for the ingredients, Baxter doesn't manufacture any H1N1 vaccinces licensed in the US, so I'mnot sure what that has to do with vaccine formulations here anyway.





Not that it matters to me anyways, as I have numerous reasons for distrusting the necessity of vaccines in general, this is information included with the post:



 



"Description

Baxter patented the “swine flu” vaccine two years before outbreak of “novel swine flu” virus * Austrian Baxter scientist involved in H1N1 vaccine patent also advises WHO
Otfried Kistner, the head of virology at Baxter’s Austrian subsidiary in Orth an der Donau, which contaminated 72 kilos of vaccine material with the live bird flu virus and sent it to 16 labs this February, was part of the Austrian-based Baxter team that applied for a provisional patent for the “swine flu” H1N1 vaccine in August 2007, almost two years before the first “swine flu” outbreak in Mexico City in April2009 in a location about 50 kilometers from a Baxter facility.

Baxter’s Vaccine Patent Application US 2009/0060950 A1 gives “Kistner et al” as the applicant for the patent for the H1N1 vaccine that was provisionally filed on August 28, 2007. "



 



There are plenty of credible sources that are anti-vaccine.



All that matters to me is what is in that patent and in the manufacturers' package inserts - these state what is in the vaccine, the testing statistics, side effects, etc., as well as the countless testimonies given by those in the medical community and those who have been effected by vaccines.  Any doubt is doubt enough for me.  I did read that, probably, the safest flu vaccine at this time is Celvapan.  It is more highly recommended for pregnant women and children.  Side note:  Baxter created a version of the vaccine for the German military that does not contain the toxins contained in the one created for the general public.  This information is readily available online.  It is up to the individual to discern fact from fiction and make an informed choice.  For me, I tend to go with what I know, not what I don't know.  It's the possibilities that concern me, not the improbabilities.  It is fine if you do not agree with me.  Just be sure you've checked it all out if you have questions or concerns.  Decide for yourself.

Brandi - posted on 10/22/2009

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I would be very careful about giving your child the H1N1 vaccine...it's still VERY new and there are some side effects that could become hazardous to completely healthy children. I would use a little face mask when taking him outside and be very careful who he's around (if they appear ill), keep his hands washed as best as possible etc. The H1N1 vaccine is not like the flu shot that we are used to recieving--the flu shot has been better developed over the years which has made it realitively safer for children to recieve. After all when the flu shot was first introduced, some of the side effects were deadly to healthy adults. Just something to think about.

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Quoting Sarah:

N1 H1 vaccine

Have we not heard enough about this one? yes but what choice have you made?

I live in Italy with my 5year old, who has suffered most of his toddler years from Bronco-Ahsma, so he's more susceptible to bronchial afflictions. He has been hospitalized at age 3 with "silent Pneumonia"

You can see why I'm hesitating on taking this decision.

H1 N1 / SWINE FLEW VACCINE, is still not available in this country (Italy).

Any thoughts?


My daughter had swine flu last week, when I went to collect the Tamiflu, I had a talk with the Nurse who was administrating the medicines.  She told me that when her child had Swine flu she choose not to administer the medication as the side effects actually made children more sick.  You need to boast up on Vitamin C, eat a diet with lots of vegetables like onions, and garlic



 



 



 



 

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Quoting Felisa:



Quoting Jenifer:




Quoting Felisa:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17458061/Baxte...

It is your choice, but make it an informed one. Check out the good AND the bad.







Sorry, but I don't understand what this has to do with anything. You do realize that there are multiple H1N1 viruses, right? That's a subtype, not a distinct name for the current pandemic virus. The seasonal flu vaccine has contained an H1N1 component for years, and "swine flus" may be of the H1N1, H1N2, H3N2, etc variety. The current 'H1N1 swine flu' curculating just happens to be very different from previous H1N1 swine flus, and that's why people are particularly susceptible.










If you can't see what this link has to do with anything, then it doesn't concern you.  It's all about the stories we are being told.  The patent application for the CURRENT H1N1 vaccine, for the "pandemic" that they just announced this summer, was actually submitted two years ago.  How did they know we were going to have this pandemic at that time?  Also, the patent explains how the vaccine is made, including the toxins that you claim are not in it.  It doesn't matter how many strains are out there.  What matters is the content of the vaccine, the effects it has on some, and the fact that we are consistently being lied to about so many things.  I have previously posted the fact that the H1N1 virus is a Type A strain, so yes, I am aware.  It is also not just the "swine flu", as you must know, since you know all this other information.  It is a combination of the swine flu, the Avian flu, and a couple of human strains.  Some scientists say it was created in a lab.  Your posts sound like they are coming from the CDC. 





Mind pointing me towards the paragraph that makes you think this is a patent application for the current pandemic H1N1 vaccine? As for the ingredients, Baxter doesn't manufacture any H1N1 vaccinces licensed in the US, so I'mnot sure what that has to do with vaccine formulations here anyway.

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Quoting Jenifer:



Quoting Felisa:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17458061/Baxte...

It is your choice, but make it an informed one. Check out the good AND the bad.





Sorry, but I don't understand what this has to do with anything. You do realize that there are multiple H1N1 viruses, right? That's a subtype, not a distinct name for the current pandemic virus. The seasonal flu vaccine has contained an H1N1 component for years, and "swine flus" may be of the H1N1, H1N2, H3N2, etc variety. The current 'H1N1 swine flu' curculating just happens to be very different from previous H1N1 swine flus, and that's why people are particularly susceptible.






If you can't see what this link has to do with anything, then it doesn't concern you.  It's all about the stories we are being told.  The patent application for the CURRENT H1N1 vaccine, for the "pandemic" that they just announced this summer, was actually submitted two years ago.  How did they know we were going to have this pandemic at that time?  Also, the patent explains how the vaccine is made, including the toxins that you claim are not in it.  It doesn't matter how many strains are out there.  What matters is the content of the vaccine, the effects it has on some, and the fact that we are consistently being lied to about so many things.  I have previously posted the fact that the H1N1 virus is a Type A strain, so yes, I am aware.  It is also not just the "swine flu", as you must know, since you know all this other information.  It is a combination of the swine flu, the Avian flu, and a couple of human strains.  Some scientists say it was created in a lab.  Your posts sound like they are coming from the CDC. 

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A lot of people get mild versions of this flu, but that seems to be confusing some parents. It's still dangerous, and it's killing healthy children at more than double the rate of seasonal flu. I don't want to add to your fears, but I would certainly get your son vaccinated once it is available in your area.

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My family got the swine flu, including my child with a heart defect, and it was just a mild illness. Better to have got it now and have natural immunity incase it cycles back around at a more lethal strength, as with the Spanish Flu.

I have always given my dd yearly flu jabs but am reconsidering that choice because she usually gets the flu anyway, and the innoculations mean her immune system doesn't have much of its own strength. Also after researching the swine flu innoculation thoroughly, there is no way I would give it to my child. For a start, the evidence does not convince me of its safety. Secondly, I am not a conspiracy theorist in any way, but I can't help but be suspicious that this *mild flu* has been hyped so heavily just when certain dodgy things are going on in drug companies - and in my country when the stocks of Tamiflu were nearing their expiry date. Thousands die every year of the regular flu. Why isn't anyone talking about that, and how to make our society cleaner? It's all just fearmongering.

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My only advice is to talk to your child's doctor. He/she is best suited to give you objective advice, tailored to your child's specific needs. S/he can address your concerns about the safety of the vaccine and talk to you about what to watch for if you opt to not get the vaccine.

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Colostrum has been tested against swine flu in Italy with fantastic results...get some from a local chiropractor or alternative health professional.

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My husband just got over the swine flew and he doing well. He was out for the count for 5 days but his symptoms were very similar to a regular flew. Here in Canada, they finally received the vaccine and are suggestion that high risk groups, which include kids under the age of 6 but over 6months old, take it. My son has a cough at the moment and I probably will go get him the vaccination because I cannot bare to see him lethargic and sick. Good luck with your decision. By the way, the vaccine has been generously tested. The one that has had problems is the one that has the add on for pregnant women.

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According to the Autism website some not all have mercury (http://www.wellsphere.com/autism-autism-...) - They recommend reading the label prior to get the inncoluation.

According to USAToday.com there will only need to be one injection of the H1N1 (http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009...)

Personally I am still torn between getting the shot for my kids (10, 6, and 22 months). A girl, with a heart defect, and a perfectly healthy high school football player have both died this season from H1N1. Scares me enough that I am considering home schooling to reduce contact with large masses of people. Schools can only do so much, as can us as parents.

We trust the medical society to lead us safely in making medical decisions and I am saddened at how something like this can become so complicated because there are things we are not being told up front, and considerations for long term effects not being taken.

Good luck.

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Please don't give this vaccine to you child. They have fast tracted it and don't know enough about it. Last time they did this with a vaccine thousands of people devloped nerological diorders(in the US). It is just not safe don't let your child be a guinea pig!! God Bless


Like I said, we already had the vaccine and we are fine.  According to this CBS news link:  http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/1..., if you are referring to the former swine flu, 40 million people were vaccinated and there were around 500 cases of GBS, not "thousands".  I just think people should be very careful when trying to sway someone not to vaccinate and get your information from accurate, reliable sources.

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Quoting Felisa:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17458061/Baxte...

It is your choice, but make it an informed one. Check out the good AND the bad.


Sorry, but I don't understand what this has to do with anything. You do realize that there are multiple H1N1 viruses, right? That's a subtype, not a distinct name for the current pandemic virus. The seasonal flu vaccine has contained an H1N1 component for years, and "swine flus" may be of the H1N1, H1N2, H3N2, etc variety. The current 'H1N1 swine flu' curculating just happens to be very different from previous H1N1 swine flus, and that's why people are particularly susceptible.

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I am 9 months pregnant and my son go Swine Flu last week. It was not bad at all. He was in bed for 4 days with a fever and some diarrhea. I washed my hands a lot during the day, gargled 2x a day with salt water and swabbed my nose with salt water. This flu is made out to be a lot worse than it is.... I'm thankful I didn't get it, but not sure it's as "life threatening" to the averagte person as the media is making it out to be. I'm not a believer in flu vaccines. The risks of that seem worse than the flu. Hope this helps. I'm in USA by the way.



I agree.  And my pediatrician confirmed that the symptoms are definitely milder than with seasonal flu, even though she has seen an increase in the number of cases.

Andrea - posted on 10/22/2009

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I am 9 months pregnant and my son go Swine Flu last week. It was not bad at all. He was in bed for 4 days with a fever and some diarrhea. I washed my hands a lot during the day, gargled 2x a day with salt water and swabbed my nose with salt water. This flu is made out to be a lot worse than it is.... I'm thankful I didn't get it, but not sure it's as "life threatening" to the averagte person as the media is making it out to be. I'm not a believer in flu vaccines. The risks of that seem worse than the flu. Hope this helps. I'm in USA by the way.

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People who recover from the swine flu with no problems have healthy immune systems. I would ask a pediatrician about his case. Most little kids with asthma problems seem to be better and stronger at age 5 as it was in my case.

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