Should I vaccinate my child

Sara - posted on 10/23/2009 ( 49 moms have responded )

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I am doing vaccination research and would like to know of any good reliable web sites/articles/books that talk about the pros and cons on vaccinations for babies. I would also like your own opinions

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Sarah - posted on 10/23/2009

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I do vaccinate and will vaccinate for the H1N1 flu when it is available. People have turned against vaccines without good research to back it up. Just because there are studies on it does not mean that study is representative or a well conducted study. None of us are old enough to remember the reason that vaccines were made in the first place-because people died from horrible diseases that can now be prevented. Vaccines help our bodies create antibodies, which it naturally does when it comes in contact with germs, so our bodies can better fight when/if we come in contact with it again. Yes, people have the right to refuse vaccines, but what about the right for the rest of us to choose not to get sick from the illness you got because you were not vaccinated? The H1N1 vaccine is made by the same company and in the same way that the regular flu vaccine is, they just did it faster. There is no thimerisol in the nasal mist for H1N1, nor are there good studies to show that vaccines or preservatives cause autism. I guess I would rather trust epidemiologists and the people who study and do quality research on the vaccines over Jenny McCarthy and the like. I think it is good to ask questions and figure out what your child really needs, but we have to keep them and those they come in contact with safe. I have chosen not do vaccinate against certain things or waiting until they make more sense to get, as well (Chicken Pox being one of them). The AAP and CDC are great resources for information that is studied and reliable about vaccines.

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Quoting Sunshine:

BREASTFEEDING your baby is the BEST & MOST POWERFUL vaccination available. You may contact your local health department for exemption cards that will be accepted by daycares & schools in place of a vaccination record.


Breastfeeding is not the same as vaccinating.



http://www.kellymom.com/health/meds/vacc...



While it is true that mom's IgG antibody protection crosses the placenta, this protection wanes by 6-8 months. Nursing itself only provides  IgG antibodies and other immune factors in low quantities - not the same as if the infant develops their own IgG response via vaccination. Don't get me wrong, I'm aware of the health benefits of nursing (that's why I'm still nursing my 13 month old), but it is absolutely not a replacement for vaccination.

Kate CP - posted on 10/26/2009

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Facts:

1. MMR does not cause Autism

2. Diseases like diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis (whooping cough) are still around and are still fatal.

3. Tetanus can be contracted anywhere including glass and plastic



some photos and symptoms for you:

Measles: The classical symptoms of measles include four day fevers, the three Cs—cough, coryza (runny nose) and conjunctivitis (red eyes). The fever may reach up to 40° Celsius (104° Fahrenheit). Koplik's spots seen inside the mouth are pathognomonic (diagnostic) for measles but are not often seen, even in real cases of measles, because they are transient and may disappear within a day of arising.



The characteristic measles rash is classically described as a generalized, maculopapular, erythematous rash that begins several days after the fever starts. It starts on the head before spreading to cover most of the body, often causing itching. The rash is said to "stain", changing colour from red to dark brown, before disappearing

http://www.idph.state.il.us/images/measl...



Mumps: Parotid inflammation (or parotitis) in 60–70% of infections and 95% of patients with symptoms.[2] Parotitis causes swelling and local pain, particularly when chewing. It can occur on one side (unilateral) but is more common on both sides (bilateral) in about 90% of cases.[6]

Fever

Headache

Orchitis, referring to painful inflammation of the testicle.[7] Males past puberty who develop mumps have a 30 percent risk of orchitis.[8]

Other symptoms of mumps can include dry mouth, sore face and/or ears and occasionally in more serious cases, loss of voice. In addition, up to 20% of persons infected with the mumps virus do not show symptoms, so it is possible to be infected and spread the virus without knowing it

http://www.dudley.nhs.uk/images/cms/452-...



Rubella: After an incubation period of 14–21 days, the primary symptom of rubella virus infection is the appearance of a rash (exanthem) on the face which spreads to the trunk and limbs and usually fades after three days. Other symptoms include low grade fever, swollen glands (post cervical lymphadenopathy), joint pains, headache and conjunctivitis. The swollen glands or lymph nodes can persist for up to a week and the fever rarely rises above 38 oC (100.4 oF). The rash disappears after a few days with no staining or peeling of the skin. Forchheimer's sign occurs in 20% of cases, and is characterized by small, red papules on the area of the soft palate.

http://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/Defect...



Tetanus: The first sign is trismus, or lockjaw, and the facial spasms called risus sardonicus, followed by stiffness of the neck, difficulty in swallowing, and rigidity of pectoral and calf muscles. Other symptoms include elevated temperature, sweating, elevated blood pressure, and episodic rapid heart rate. Spasms may occur frequently and last for several minutes with the body shaped into a characteristic form called opisthotonos. Spasms continue for 3–4 weeks, and complete recovery may take months. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6VcFjnthBMc/Sa...



Diphtheria: The respiratory form has an incubation period of 2–5 days. The onset of disease is usually gradual. Symptoms include fatigue, fever, a mild sore throat and problems swallowing. Children infected have symptoms that include nausea, vomiting, chills, and a high fever, although some do not show symptoms until the infection has progressed further. In 10% of cases, patients experience neck swelling, informally referred to as "bull neck." These cases are associated with a higher risk of death

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...



Pertussis: After an incubation period that is typically seven to ten days, pertussis in infants or young children is characterized initially by mild respiratory infection symptoms such as mild coughing, sneezing, or runny nose (catarrhal stage). After one to two weeks, the coughing develops into uncontrollable fits, each with five to ten forceful coughs, followed by a high-pitched "whoop" sound as the patient struggles to breathe in afterwards (paroxysmal stage). Coughing fits are sometimes followed by vomiting, or can lead to malnutrition. Fits can occur on their own or can be triggered by yawning, stretching, laughing, eating or yelling; they usually occur in groups, with multiple episodes every hour around the clock. This stage lasts two to eight weeks, or sometimes longer. A gradual transition then occurs to the convalescent stage, which usually lasts one to two weeks. Common complications of the disease include pneumonia, encephalopathy, earache, or seizures. Infection in newborns is particularly severe, with a death risk of up to 3%, often caused by severe pulmonary hypertension.

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/uvpd...





Personally, I can't stand to see my child sick. To see her THIS sick would come close to killing me. Vaccinations aren't a guarantee that you won't get the disease, but if you DO get the disease after being vaccinated for it it's usually much milder. Most disease that we vaccinate for are rare. Why are they rare? BECAUSE YOUR PARENS AND GRANDPARENTS TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE MEDICAL MIRACLE OF VACCINES!!! These diseases ***WILL*** come back and will be ten times worse due to our over-use of antibiotics and subsequent viral/bacterial immunity to the anti-biotics.



Should you vaccinate your kids? Yes. If you don't that's your choice and I don't look down on people who don't vaccinate. However, your kids will NEVER interract with mine because *I* don't want to get sick.

Emma - posted on 10/24/2009

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Hi Sara,
Lots of very knowledgeable people have obviously researched this topic extraordinarily well, but I'd like to offer a very simple answer.
If they hadn't vaccinated against things like smallpox and polio in our parents/grandparents generations, we'd all still be greatly at risk from these 'old fashioned' killers. One day measles and chickenpox could be a thing of the past too if everyone vaccinates their children, stopping the spread. I understand that some children have had bad reactions and I really feel for those parents, but the chances of bad things happening to children greatly increases if the western world stops vaccinating, even one at a time.
Not to mention that people have allergies and reactions to all sorts of things. You have to consider 'do I feed my child peaches/peanut butter/milk/wheat' in terms of the possible range of reactions, the same as you do with vaccines.
We all know that science uses occasionally morally repugnant ways to create cures for diseases, but I'd rather that than increase my family's risk of dying from one of them.
At the end of the day only you can decide whether or not to vaccinate your child but think of it in the bigger picture -attempting to eradicate a disease, as well as protecting your own very precious child.

Sara - posted on 10/23/2009

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Quoting Susan:

I got grossed out when I learned that aborted baby cell lines are used in the creation of vaccines. Yes, even though it’s only a tiny amount, we are inputting DNA from a dead child into our own babies with most vaccines. To learn more, www.cogforlife.org/fetalvaccines.htm



If we were to inject fetal tissue into a recipient we would see horrible reactions as our bodies recognize an invader. This response is why blood is carefully screened before a transfusion to make sure it would be a safe match for the recipient. But, they do use fetal tissue from aborted infants to grow the viruses.

Several vaccines contain viruses (usually a weakened or inactive version). In order to grow these viruses, human cells are used. To grow the needed viruses to make the vaccine, drug manufactures use two pre-existing, self-perpetuating cell lines (MRC-5 and WI-38). These lines have been used in vaccine development and medical research for over 35 years.

But, it is true that these cell lines came from the cells of two aborted children. Both abortions were performed in the 1960s.  We can actually trace the source of the fetal tissue. We know who each child was (or at least who that child's parents were) and the reason for the abortion. Both abortions were elective.



Many of the nation's pro-life organizations and even the Catholic Church have gone on the record to say that using these vaccines isn't wrong and that, currently, drug companies are not using -- or seeking -- new sources of aborted tissue at this time. Essentially, even if you disagree with abortion, your refusal of the vaccine will not change the fact that these two babies were aborted and the government isn't out harvesting unborn children for vaccines.

If this is something that you aren't comfortable with, contact your government representatives and the drug companies and encourage them to seek new methods of creating these vaccines that don't rely on fetal tissue.  But just know that you aren't actually injected a dead baby into your own child.



 

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Charmaine - posted on 11/02/2009

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It is very sad that ppl do vaccinate their children.I work in hospital and seeing all the children with measle was saddening and worrying. Measles is one of the 'dangerous diseases ever with very life threatening complications, image the outcome if we were to stop vaccinating children. I do not want to start on Polio and H.influenza infection which can by the way cause menengitis. Yes you have a right not to vaccinate but think of your child(ren) who do not have a voice. Things like flu are common self-limiting conditions,please think also of other children who will be affected by your dicision,

Kate CP - posted on 11/02/2009

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Quoting Sunshine:

You're right, its BETTER. Stop putting all your faith in doctors who only get paid if you are sick. You have absolutely no idea what is in those vials, the doctor doesn't know and doesn't care as long as you have insurance & a co-pay. Babies don't die from not getting a vitamin K shot, that's ridiculous.

Read Confessions of a Medical Heretic by M.D. Robert S. Mendelsohn & make up you own mind


Uh, yea, babies can and DO die from not getting a vitamin K shot. It's rare, but it does happen. Breastfeeding is GREAT and I encourage every mom to do it for as long as the baby needs. BUT, it's not better than vaccinating. I don't know what doctors you go to but mine is a very careful, loving physician who has seen 3 generations of my family. Thyroid issues run in my family so he ordered a T4 for my daughter when she was first born along with the PKU. I'm sure there are some doctors out there that are in it just for the money and don't give a squat about their patients. Most people who go into medicine do it because they want to help people. 

Sunshine - posted on 11/02/2009

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You're right, its BETTER. Stop putting all your faith in doctors who only get paid if you are sick. You have absolutely no idea what is in those vials, the doctor doesn't know and doesn't care as long as you have insurance & a co-pay. Babies don't die from not getting a vitamin K shot, that's ridiculous.



Read Confessions of a Medical Heretic by M.D. Robert S. Mendelsohn & make up you own mind

Rachel - posted on 10/26/2009

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If you go to www.cdc.gov it is the government website (center for disease control) you can look up all information about vaccines, including ingredients, possible side effects, etc.

Maria - posted on 10/26/2009

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Quoting Bekki:  I never said I was against vaccines!  I obviously know that they are needed!   My kids and I are all vaccinated for everything we have to be!  I simply said I am against the flu vaccine!  I have seen too many things go wrong around me that do not make me feel comfortable.  I know someone that ended up with Guillain Barre from a flu vaccine 4 years ago.  This simply has to do, with getting all the information.  As much as we learn from a text book and such doesn't mean that it is the only way.  The flu vaccine is a HUGE money maker in the billions and the government has protected them from having any liability if things go wrong.  I know Doctors that even have a problem with the H1N1 vaccine, so that is not unusual for a person in this field to feel like I do.   Congratulations on your up coming graduation! 













Quoting Maria:

I think we all just have to educated! I'm a nursing student so I get the why and how, however I also don't trust everything the government tells us. We vaccinate however we just started re considering the flu shot. My son is 4 years old. He had the flu shot at 6 months (pediatricians insisted on it). He has not had the flu shot since. This year my pediatrician begged me to give it to him, which made me feel obligated and I did give it to him. He has never been so sick. He had a temperature for 5 days and the last 2 days it went up to 105. Well the Dr says it was a coincidence! My husband and I decided we are done with the flu vaccine. We also have a 7 month old who will not be getting the flu vaccine. First of all the flu vaccine doesn't keep you from getting the flu, it just helps so that the symptoms are not as severe. I weigh out that and the fact that my kids can be injected with who knows what chemicals that shouldn't be in their body and I take poison #1. If they get the flu, I will be home to nurse them back to health. Common sense is our best tool and realizing that because it comes from the CDC or the WHO organization doesn't mean it isn't unbiassed information. We do have the highest rates of Autism in this country could it be a coincidence that we also inject our children with more vaccines than any other country?





You are a nursing student yet you are pro non vaccinating?






 






How is that even possible knowing what i know you know. I am also a nursing student i graduate in 6 weeks and i know for a fact if you are not vaccinated or have the titers showing antibodies you will be refused entry into the nursing program as well as the hospitals and clinics you were going to do clinicals at.






Not vaccinating your child brings back all those diseases and that is proven fact by the diseases that are already making a comeback. Being a nursing student yourself i am positive you were taught this fact.. and it is a fact.. Scientifically proven by the recent cases of diseases that we currently vaccinate against . They are coming back and why? because people are not vaccinating.. and the diseases are coming back stronger.






 






vaccinations have nothing to do with autism.. at all. that whole statement has yet to be backed up by any evidence other than "i vaccinated my child and he has autism".. My son has a form of autism as well, which caused me to double major in psychology. being 12 credits away from my bachelors i have learned enough to know that autism has no definitive cause but vaccinations sure as heck arent it or every child would have it. EVERY child that is vaccinated would have it.





 

Sunshine - posted on 10/26/2009

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BREASTFEEDING your baby is the BEST & MOST POWERFUL vaccination available. You may contact your local health department for exemption cards that will be accepted by daycares & schools in place of a vaccination record.

Sharon - posted on 10/26/2009

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Quoting Misha:



Quoting Leanne:

I vaccinate my children, but not for the flu.

I just heard a tragic story from my mother's co-worker about not vaccinating a newborn. This co-worker's niece was not vaccinated and developed swelling in her brain because she did not receive the Vitamin K shot at birth. This went on to cause a stroke and the baby developed an infection. The doctors don't know the extent of the damage yet, but she is partially brain damaged and they suspect that she is now blind.

I have heard of people not vaccinating because they believe there is a link between Autism and vaccinations. I was told by a special education teacher (and mother to an autistic child) that once you give birth to an autistic child, the chances are raised that your next child ends up on the autism spectrum. This would suggest to me a more genetic link than a link to vaccinations.

Good Luck finding valid studies that back up people's opinions...









There is no proof whatsoever in this statement. I think it's a scare tactic. Geez.



 



Getting sick from not getting a shot? What on earth did we do before the glories of medicine?



As the human race ... we died.  We were rendered sterile.  We were crippled.  THAT is what we did before vaccines.



 



 I would disregard this ladies story. It's a lie.








 

MAUREEN - posted on 10/26/2009

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i did get my kids vaccinated with the regular flu shot but to be honest i am also thinking twice about the other vaccines.

Bekki - posted on 10/25/2009

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Quoting Maria:

I think we all just have to educated! I'm a nursing student so I get the why and how, however I also don't trust everything the government tells us. We vaccinate however we just started re considering the flu shot. My son is 4 years old. He had the flu shot at 6 months (pediatricians insisted on it). He has not had the flu shot since. This year my pediatrician begged me to give it to him, which made me feel obligated and I did give it to him. He has never been so sick. He had a temperature for 5 days and the last 2 days it went up to 105. Well the Dr says it was a coincidence! My husband and I decided we are done with the flu vaccine. We also have a 7 month old who will not be getting the flu vaccine. First of all the flu vaccine doesn't keep you from getting the flu, it just helps so that the symptoms are not as severe. I weigh out that and the fact that my kids can be injected with who knows what chemicals that shouldn't be in their body and I take poison #1. If they get the flu, I will be home to nurse them back to health. Common sense is our best tool and realizing that because it comes from the CDC or the WHO organization doesn't mean it isn't unbiassed information. We do have the highest rates of Autism in this country could it be a coincidence that we also inject our children with more vaccines than any other country?


You are a nursing student yet you are pro non vaccinating?



 



How is that even possible knowing what i know you know. I am also a nursing student i graduate in 6 weeks and i know for a fact if you are not vaccinated or have the titers showing antibodies you will be refused entry into the nursing program as well as the hospitals and clinics you were going to do clinicals at.



Not vaccinating your child brings back all those diseases and that is proven fact by the diseases that are already making a comeback. Being a nursing student yourself i am positive you were taught this fact.. and it is a fact.. Scientifically proven by the recent cases of diseases that we currently vaccinate against . They are coming back and why? because people are not vaccinating.. and the diseases are coming back stronger.



 



vaccinations have nothing to do with autism.. at all. that whole statement has yet to be backed up by any evidence other than "i vaccinated my child and he has autism".. My son has a form of autism as well, which caused me to double major in psychology. being 12 credits away from my bachelors i have learned enough to know that autism has no definitive cause but vaccinations sure as heck arent it or every child would have it. EVERY child that is vaccinated would have it.

Bekki - posted on 10/25/2009

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Quoting Misha:



Quoting Leanne:

I vaccinate my children, but not for the flu.

I just heard a tragic story from my mother's co-worker about not vaccinating a newborn. This co-worker's niece was not vaccinated and developed swelling in her brain because she did not receive the Vitamin K shot at birth. This went on to cause a stroke and the baby developed an infection. The doctors don't know the extent of the damage yet, but she is partially brain damaged and they suspect that she is now blind.

I have heard of people not vaccinating because they believe there is a link between Autism and vaccinations. I was told by a special education teacher (and mother to an autistic child) that once you give birth to an autistic child, the chances are raised that your next child ends up on the autism spectrum. This would suggest to me a more genetic link than a link to vaccinations.

Good Luck finding valid studies that back up people's opinions...









There is no proof whatsoever in this statement. I think it's a scare tactic. Geez. Getting sick from not getting a shot? What on earth did we do before the glories of medicine? I would disregard this ladies story. It's a lie.








DO NOT DISREGARD THAT STATMENT. Vitamin K must MUST MUST!! BE GIVEN AT BIRTH or the baby will be at risk for this exact thing stated here.



 



Vitamin K is given at birth because your child does not have the clotting cascade that causing their blood to clot.. And in some cases a child can bleed out from something as small as the heel stick glucose test. Vitamin K jumpstarts their body to clot naturally.

Bekki - posted on 10/25/2009

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What people don't realize is the decline in vaccinations is the reason some diseases are coming back. Like measles, mumps, rubella, polio in some areas..
Vaccinations are NOT immune suppressants, they are in fact boosters for your immune system. They are blue prints to teach your body to build antibodies to fight off whatever disease the vaccine is for.
It would be good for a parent wondering about vaccines to take a pediatric nursing course or anatomy and physiology course. You need to understand the CONS of not vaccinating is causing diseases to come back that shouldn't be coming back. And many areas of life your child will miss out on without vaccines.
Say your child wants to become a nurse, or a doctor, they will not be admitted into the college courses for those jobs without having the immunizations that is standard and immunizations are required to enter into Allied health nursing programs and most med school courses where the student will interact with patients.

Think long and hard about the repurcussions on your childs future before you don't vaccinate them, in the end if they go into certain professions .. ANY professions in direct health care they will be forced to have them

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Quoting Jenny:



Quoting Brooke:

It is so important to vaccinate. Do you not wear a seatbelt or put your child in a carseat? The safety of those devices outweigh the cons. And there have been tragic things that have happened to people who had their seatbelts on. Sarah is correct about the reason vaccines were created. They have saved so many lives. Also as for h1n1, it has been around before. The vaccine is not brand new. And it has been studied for years. You can make your own decisions but my child has received her vaccines and she will continue them.





Comparing the risk of not using safety restraints on a child in the car and not vaccinating is simply silly and uneducated.   Also, the h1n1 vaccine that is coming out now is NOT the same as what was out in 1976. Do you really think pediatrcians would recommend a vaccine that that gave nerve damage to potentialy thousands of people? That  is what happens when vaccinations, like n1h1 are pushed out fast with out the propertime and research they need. Vaccinations = Big Money.  Big money = People making poor decisions.





Silly and uneducated?? Actually, I think the seat belt analogy is a great one. For the vast majority of people, seat belts are incredibly safe, but there are rare instances where seat belts cause more harm than good (think submerged cars). Even though your odds of being in an accident are low, the odds of being injured by a seat belt are even lower, by orders of magnititude. That's why most people choose to wear their seat belts. And certainly, you'd also say that the Automotive Industry = Big Money. Seat belts may not be perfect (since there is some risk) but the industry is continually going back and making them safer every year. Really, the main shortcoming of the seat belt analogy is that it doesn't take into accound herd immunity. If I wear my seat belt, that doesn't help protect someone else who isn't wearing theirs. Vaccines do.

Chasity - posted on 10/24/2009

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I have done all the vaccinations for my two children and will do any of them that have been around for years. However, I will NOT give my children the H1N1 vaccination nor will my husband and I recieve it. they have not tested it enough and do not know enough about it. Most of the doctors in my home town will not even administer the vaccine. in most cases it has done more harm than good.

Jenny - posted on 10/24/2009

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Quoting Brooke:

It is so important to vaccinate. Do you not wear a seatbelt or put your child in a carseat? The safety of those devices outweigh the cons. And there have been tragic things that have happened to people who had their seatbelts on. Sarah is correct about the reason vaccines were created. They have saved so many lives. Also as for h1n1, it has been around before. The vaccine is not brand new. And it has been studied for years. You can make your own decisions but my child has received her vaccines and she will continue them.


Comparing the risk of not using safety restraints on a child in the car and not vaccinating is simply silly and uneducated.   Also, the h1n1 vaccine that is coming out now is NOT the same as what was out in 1976. Do you really think pediatrcians would recommend a vaccine that that gave nerve damage to potentialy thousands of people? That  is what happens when vaccinations, like n1h1 are pushed out fast with out the propertime and research they need. Vaccinations = Big Money.  Big money = People making poor decisions.

Jenny - posted on 10/24/2009

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Quoting Brooke:

It is so important to vaccinate. Do you not wear a seatbelt or put your child in a carseat? The safety of those devices outweigh the cons. And there have been tragic things that have happened to people who had their seatbelts on. Sarah is correct about the reason vaccines were created. They have saved so many lives. Also as for h1n1, it has been around before. The vaccine is not brand new. And it has been studied for years. You can make your own decisions but my child has received her vaccines and she will continue them.


Comparing the risk of not using safety restraints on a child in the car and not vaccinating is simply silly and uneducated.   Also, the h1n1 vaccine that is coming out now is NOT the same as what was out in 1976. Do you really think pediatrcians would recommend a vaccine that that gave nerve damage to potentialy thousands of people? That  is what happens when vaccinations, like n1h1 are pushed out fast with out the propertime and research they need. Vaccinations = Big Money.  Big money = People making poor decisions.

Jenny - posted on 10/24/2009

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I also recommend Dr. Sear's Vaccine Book. In my opinion, it is non-biased. We choose to do an alternative vaccine schedule that is provided in that book. No more than 2 vaccinations at a time and we eliminated/delayed others that we feel would be a greater risk. At the end of the day it should be about what makes you feel comfortable. BTW - I would call pediatrician offices first to check to see if they will do alternative vaccine schedules. Some doctor offices will make parents very uncomfortable for choosing an alternative path. I found a great dr who doesn't necessarily agree with me but respects my decision. Another friend of mine says she vaccinated her child despite hesitations because the dr/nurses at their practice pressured her into it.

Misha - posted on 10/24/2009

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Quoting Leanne:

I vaccinate my children, but not for the flu.

I just heard a tragic story from my mother's co-worker about not vaccinating a newborn. This co-worker's niece was not vaccinated and developed swelling in her brain because she did not receive the Vitamin K shot at birth. This went on to cause a stroke and the baby developed an infection. The doctors don't know the extent of the damage yet, but she is partially brain damaged and they suspect that she is now blind.

I have heard of people not vaccinating because they believe there is a link between Autism and vaccinations. I was told by a special education teacher (and mother to an autistic child) that once you give birth to an autistic child, the chances are raised that your next child ends up on the autism spectrum. This would suggest to me a more genetic link than a link to vaccinations.

Good Luck finding valid studies that back up people's opinions...





There is no proof whatsoever in this statement. I think it's a scare tactic. Geez. Getting sick from not getting a shot? What on earth did we do before the glories of medicine? I would disregard this ladies story. It's a lie.



Misha - posted on 10/24/2009

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I am 100% against vaccines. I also have a vaccine Injured child. My husband on the other hand is pro vaccine and for the sake of my marriage we have a compromise. I delay as long as I can, he takes them in. Only one shot at a time and NEVER EVER will they get the MMR. Do your research on what's in them. That was enough for me.

Leanne - posted on 10/24/2009

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I looked into wether or not to vaccinate when my first daughter was born (she is now 4) and we decided to vaccinate. My now 2 year old had a reaction to her measels immunisation which she had at age 1. Apparently it is a fairly common reaction... a mild form of the measels which is not contagious and only lasts a couple of days. When I saw how sick my baby was with a so called 'mild' form I am so glad I did immunise her! By the way, I am in Australia, our immunisation schedules may be different to other countries.

Good luck on your decision

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Alot of mums seem to recommend the Dr Sears book on vaccinations. I took all my advice from friends/family who are nurses - no ulterior motive for them only personal opinion based on experience and their research. We vaccinate. For me it is about weighing up the risks - is my daughter at greater risk if she has a vaccination or if she gets what she is not vaccinated against? Vaccinations won and for us it was the right choice - sure she grumbled (who wouldnt) but I watched my niece choke until she was unable to catch breathe and vomited with the whooping cough and there is no way I want my daughter to be at any greater risk than necessary to go through that. Thats my twopence worth... :)

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Some excellent vaccine resources:

http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-educ...
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkboo...
http://www.immunizationinfo.org/
http://www.vaccinateyourbaby.org/
http://www.aerzteblatt.de/int/article.as...

Compare vaccine vs disease:
http://www.immunizationinfo.org/

This is a blog, but it has a group of medical professionals who rotate through as contributors. I find that they provide a lot of interesting information on vaccines (with references). These posts in particular are pretty good:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=9
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2...

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Quoting Susan:

In addition to fetal cell lines MRC-5 and Wi-38, others used are HEK-293, RA273 and PER-O6

And the fact is that there were 21 separate abortions back in 1961 when Leonard Hayflick, who was employed by the Wistar Institute, the research facility of the University of Pennsylvania, took cell strains derived from the lung, skin, muscle, kidney, heart, thyroid, thymus and liver of these children.

And according to Dr. C. Ward Kischer, PhD one of the leading authorities in the nation on human embryology, the abortion must be pre-arranged in order to have researchers available to immediately preserve the tissue. “In order to sustain 95% of the cells, the live tissue would need to be preserved within 5 minutes of the abortion”, stated Dr. Kischer. “Within an hour the cells would continue to deteriorate, rendering the specimens useless.”

It was this knowledge – that the abortions had to have been prearranged in order to provide the fetal material now being used – that the Catholic Church vehemently opposes use of vaccines created from these cell lines. In June 2005, the Vatican released an eight-page document. Under the direction of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, (now Pope Benedict XVI) the Pontifical Academy for Life clearly defined medical and parental obligations to use ethical alternatives. They further instructed that physicians and families “should take recourse, if necessary, to the use of conscientious objection with regard to the use of vaccines produced by means of cell lines of aborted human foetal origin. Equally, they should oppose by all means (in writing, through the various associations, mass media, etc.) the vaccines which do not yet have morally acceptable alternatives, creating pressure so that alternative vaccines are prepared, which are not connected with the abortion of a human foetus, and requesting rigorous legal control of the pharmaceutical industry producers.”

These vaccines for these specific diseases simply do not have morally correct alternatives (except for Hep A and Rubella – which are just not available in the US) :
Chickenpox - Varivax, Varilrix
Cystic Fibrosis - Pulmozyme
Hepatitis A - Vaqta, Havrix, Avaxim, Epaxal
Measles/Mumps/Rubella – MMR, Priorix
Rubella - Meruvax II
MMR + Chickenpox - ProQuad/MMR-V
Shingles - Zostavax


I have to wonder if we read the same statement from the Vatican - in 2005 they issued a strong statement encouraging the use of alternatives to the vaccines which used fetal cell lines, but telling parents to continue to vaccinate even if there is no alternative. Mainly based on the fact that diseases like Rubella resulted in some 11,000 miscarraiges in 1964 alone, plus numerous birth defects, infant deaths, etc. They conclude:



"Thus, for example, danger to the health of children could permit parents to use a vaccine which was developed using cell lines of illicit origin, while keeping in mind that everyone has the duty to make known their disagreement and to ask that their healthcare system make other types of vaccines available."



http://www.usccb.org/comm/Dignitasperson...

Karen - posted on 10/24/2009

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I would love an answer too. I've also been doing some research and have found so much contradictory advice that I don't know what to do.

Melody - posted on 10/23/2009

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My Dr told me that newborns are not eligiable for the H1N1 vaccine and if your child has a low immune system or problems with lungs that they should not get the nasal flu vaccine. If your child is high risk and is over the age of 1 then your should vaccinate for the flu and H1N1. Myself and my children have all had the flu, we didnt get tested for H1N1 but we all had it and yes we were miserable but we made it through it. My son is high risk and got it before I could get him the shot. It wasnt as bad as we all think or thought it was going to be, at least not for us.

Lisa - posted on 10/23/2009

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Homefirst.com .....Dr, Eisenstein is a well known physician out of Chicago and he has many patients off "the vaccination grid" and encourages it. His website has great email alerts and webinar info on Flu and H1N1.

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If everyone stopped vaccinating their children, all those awful diseases would return and many more children would be getting sick and suffering as a result. Both my children are up to date with their vaccinations and I was fortunate that neither of them reacted to the vaccines.

Lynn - posted on 10/23/2009

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I am talking to my doctor for each age group of my children, what may be good for one is not always good for the other.

Belinda - posted on 10/23/2009

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How do you go when they have to start attending school....im just wondering thats all, im not critisising you in anyway but when they start school you need to show there immunisation is all up to date.

Brooke - posted on 10/23/2009

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It is so important to vaccinate. Do you not wear a seatbelt or put your child in a carseat? The safety of those devices outweigh the cons. And there have been tragic things that have happened to people who had their seatbelts on. Sarah is correct about the reason vaccines were created. They have saved so many lives. Also as for h1n1, it has been around before. The vaccine is not brand new. And it has been studied for years. You can make your own decisions but my child has received her vaccines and she will continue them.

Maria - posted on 10/23/2009

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I think we all just have to educated! I'm a nursing student so I get the why and how, however I also don't trust everything the government tells us. We vaccinate however we just started re considering the flu shot. My son is 4 years old. He had the flu shot at 6 months (pediatricians insisted on it). He has not had the flu shot since. This year my pediatrician begged me to give it to him, which made me feel obligated and I did give it to him. He has never been so sick. He had a temperature for 5 days and the last 2 days it went up to 105. Well the Dr says it was a coincidence! My husband and I decided we are done with the flu vaccine. We also have a 7 month old who will not be getting the flu vaccine. First of all the flu vaccine doesn't keep you from getting the flu, it just helps so that the symptoms are not as severe. I weigh out that and the fact that my kids can be injected with who knows what chemicals that shouldn't be in their body and I take poison #1. If they get the flu, I will be home to nurse them back to health. Common sense is our best tool and realizing that because it comes from the CDC or the WHO organization doesn't mean it isn't unbiassed information. We do have the highest rates of Autism in this country could it be a coincidence that we also inject our children with more vaccines than any other country?

Letitia - posted on 10/23/2009

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I was always vaccinated. I have always vaccinated my kids. They don't seem to have had any harm done to them from the vaccines, but I suppose there is always that possibility. I just don't see why not.

College campuses and get outbreaks of stuff that people should be vaccinated for. When I was in college, lots of people were getting measles, and there were 28 thousand students!

It's up to each parent in the end, but I get frustrated when people start getting things that there are simple vaccines for. (unless you can get immunity naturally, like from the chicken pox.)

Susan - posted on 10/23/2009

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In addition to fetal cell lines MRC-5 and Wi-38, others used are HEK-293, RA273 and PER-O6



And the fact is that there were 21 separate abortions back in 1961 when Leonard Hayflick, who was employed by the Wistar Institute, the research facility of the University of Pennsylvania, took cell strains derived from the lung, skin, muscle, kidney, heart, thyroid, thymus and liver of these children.



And according to Dr. C. Ward Kischer, PhD one of the leading authorities in the nation on human embryology, the abortion must be pre-arranged in order to have researchers available to immediately preserve the tissue. “In order to sustain 95% of the cells, the live tissue would need to be preserved within 5 minutes of the abortion”, stated Dr. Kischer. “Within an hour the cells would continue to deteriorate, rendering the specimens useless.”



It was this knowledge – that the abortions had to have been prearranged in order to provide the fetal material now being used – that the Catholic Church vehemently opposes use of vaccines created from these cell lines. In June 2005, the Vatican released an eight-page document. Under the direction of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, (now Pope Benedict XVI) the Pontifical Academy for Life clearly defined medical and parental obligations to use ethical alternatives. They further instructed that physicians and families “should take recourse, if necessary, to the use of conscientious objection with regard to the use of vaccines produced by means of cell lines of aborted human foetal origin. Equally, they should oppose by all means (in writing, through the various associations, mass media, etc.) the vaccines which do not yet have morally acceptable alternatives, creating pressure so that alternative vaccines are prepared, which are not connected with the abortion of a human foetus, and requesting rigorous legal control of the pharmaceutical industry producers.”



These vaccines for these specific diseases simply do not have morally correct alternatives (except for Hep A and Rubella – which are just not available in the US) :

Chickenpox - Varivax, Varilrix

Cystic Fibrosis - Pulmozyme

Hepatitis A - Vaqta, Havrix, Avaxim, Epaxal

Measles/Mumps/Rubella – MMR, Priorix

Rubella - Meruvax II

MMR + Chickenpox - ProQuad/MMR-V

Shingles - Zostavax

Susan - posted on 10/23/2009

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I got grossed out when I learned that aborted baby cell lines are used in the creation of vaccines. Yes, even though it’s only a tiny amount, we are inputting DNA from a dead child into our own babies with most vaccines. To learn more, www.cogforlife.org/fetalvaccines.htm

Sara - posted on 10/23/2009

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Quoting Becky:



Quoting Sarah:

I do vaccinate and will vaccinate for the H1N1 flu when it is available. People have turned against vaccines without good research to back it up. Just because there are studies on it does not mean that study is representative or a well conducted study. None of us are old enough to remember the reason that vaccines were made in the first place-because people died from horrible diseases that can now be prevented. Vaccines help our bodies create antibodies, which it naturally does when it comes in contact with germs, so our bodies can better fight when/if we come in contact with it again. Yes, people have the right to refuse vaccines, but what about the right for the rest of us to choose not to get sick from the illness you got because you were not vaccinated? The H1N1 vaccine is made by the same company and in the same way that the regular flu vaccine is, they just did it faster. There is no thimerisol in the nasal mist for H1N1, nor are there good studies to show that vaccines or preservatives cause autism. I guess I would rather trust epidemiologists and the people who study and do quality research on the vaccines over Jenny McCarthy and the like. I think it is good to ask questions and figure out what your child really needs, but we have to keep them and those they come in contact with safe. I have chosen not do vaccinate against certain things or waiting until they make more sense to get, as well (Chicken Pox being one of them). The AAP and CDC are great resources for information that is studied and reliable about vaccines.





Well if the vaccines work then the people who got vaccinated shouldn't worry about the rest of us who choose to not vaccinate. My nephew was vaccinated against chicken pox and still got them. I just don't understand why the people who get vaccinated are worried about catching something from people who are not
We don't vaccinate






This is a poor anti-vax argument.  No vaccine is 100%, so even people that have been vaccinated can contract the disease.  The concept of "herd immunity" comes into play here.  If 100% of all people were vaccinated, then in theory the germ would find fewer an fewer people to infect and die out, thus protecting those in which the vaccination did not work or can not be vaccinated because they are immunocomprimised.  This is exactly why the anti-vax movement holds so little water for me...poor logic.



 



http://pediatrics.about.com/od/pediatric...

Sara - posted on 10/23/2009

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The CDC website has a lot of info, and I think that Dr. Sear's Vaccine Book has a lot of good info in it too. Also, there's a good section on Vaccinations in the book "Baby 411", and that book is really helpful with other things too, I highly recommend it!



My daughter is up to date on vaccinations. I have given them to her on the CDC schedule, not an alternative one and she has done fine. Personally, I do not think vaccinating your child is a personal choice. Whether or not you chose to vaccinate does have an impact on other's in your community. I would encourage you to talk to you pediatrician about vaccinations as well as read about the concept of "herd immunity". Don't fall victim to emotional baiting of anti-vaccination websites whose opinions are based on little actual science or fact. I find this website to be very informative:



http://www.immunizationinfo.org/immuniza...

Nicole - posted on 10/23/2009

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Sara! Great job in being a voice for your child and doing the well needed research it takes to make such an important informed decision!! My husband and I have a two year old daughter and have made the decision to not vaccinate. My advice would be to research and read as much as you can...I still do even though my daughter is now two. At times, you will feel alone in your decision and there will be people who will condone you for it. I have been told that I am a horrible irresponsible parent for not vaccinating but that is my choice and I am confident in my decision...and so far....I have only seen great results!! If you choose not to vaccinate, make sure you check your state laws when it comes to your child attending school and most likely, you will not find a doctor that will support your decision not to vaccinate but find a pediatrician that will agree to treat your child when he/she is ill. We recently had a pediatrician refuse to see our daughter for just a wellness checkup because he did not agree with us. And my final suggestion... make sure you find natural and healthy ways to support your child's immune system. We make sure our daughter gets plenty of sleep, eats a well balanced diet, takes a vitamin every day, and she gets regular chiropractic adjustments and has since the day she was born. So far, she has only had one ear infection over a year ago and this past spring she caught some kind of virus but that was it and everything was easily treatable! I wish you luck!!
Nicole

Leanne - posted on 10/23/2009

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I vaccinate my children, but not for the flu.

I just heard a tragic story from my mother's co-worker about not vaccinating a newborn. This co-worker's niece was not vaccinated and developed swelling in her brain because she did not receive the Vitamin K shot at birth. This went on to cause a stroke and the baby developed an infection. The doctors don't know the extent of the damage yet, but she is partially brain damaged and they suspect that she is now blind.

I have heard of people not vaccinating because they believe there is a link between Autism and vaccinations. I was told by a special education teacher (and mother to an autistic child) that once you give birth to an autistic child, the chances are raised that your next child ends up on the autism spectrum. This would suggest to me a more genetic link than a link to vaccinations.

Good Luck finding valid studies that back up people's opinions...

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Quoting Sarah:

I do vaccinate and will vaccinate for the H1N1 flu when it is available. People have turned against vaccines without good research to back it up. Just because there are studies on it does not mean that study is representative or a well conducted study. None of us are old enough to remember the reason that vaccines were made in the first place-because people died from horrible diseases that can now be prevented. Vaccines help our bodies create antibodies, which it naturally does when it comes in contact with germs, so our bodies can better fight when/if we come in contact with it again. Yes, people have the right to refuse vaccines, but what about the right for the rest of us to choose not to get sick from the illness you got because you were not vaccinated? The H1N1 vaccine is made by the same company and in the same way that the regular flu vaccine is, they just did it faster. There is no thimerisol in the nasal mist for H1N1, nor are there good studies to show that vaccines or preservatives cause autism. I guess I would rather trust epidemiologists and the people who study and do quality research on the vaccines over Jenny McCarthy and the like. I think it is good to ask questions and figure out what your child really needs, but we have to keep them and those they come in contact with safe. I have chosen not do vaccinate against certain things or waiting until they make more sense to get, as well (Chicken Pox being one of them). The AAP and CDC are great resources for information that is studied and reliable about vaccines.


Well if the vaccines work then the people who got vaccinated shouldn't worry about the rest of us who choose to not vaccinate. My nephew was vaccinated against chicken pox and still got them. I just don't understand why the people who get vaccinated are worried about catching something from people who are not
We don't vaccinate

Heather - posted on 10/23/2009

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Another thing to consider is that when you vaccinate your child, you are vaccinating for the children who CANNOT be vaccinated due to medical or other reasons. If you child got an illness because they weren't vaccinated, you'd feel bad. If your sick child made a child who couldn't be vaccinated sick, you'd feel worse!

Stacy - posted on 10/23/2009

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Hi Sara -



I applaud you for looking into it. I also did the same thing. We started to vax then I stopped. My opinion: I truly believe that are bodies immune system is amazing and we don't need to supress it with more harmful stuff. The book I would recommend, which gave great insight and fact is "Saying No to Vaccines" you can find it here: http://www.sayingnotovaccines.com/ I know it helped me...hope it helps you =) I wish you the best of luck in your journey.

Sincerely, Stacy Stehle

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