To circumsize or not?

Shana - posted on 02/10/2009 ( 754 moms have responded )

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I am pregnant with my third child who is a boy (finally) and my husband does not want to circumsize him but I do. What is everyones' opinion on this and which would be better?

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Christine - posted on 02/18/2009

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I agree with leaving as its-would you cut off a 6th finger or toe?  Culturally or vanity as I would more like call it, non-circumsized penises will become more North American the more parents choose to not surgically intervene.  It is what it is.

Barbara - posted on 02/18/2009

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Quoting Amy:



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Quoting Rebecca:

in most european countries circumcision is extremely uncommon and there boys do not have 'hygiene' problems --- this is complete nonsense.

the foreskin is the most sensitive part of the sexual region, with more nerve endings in the foreskin than the rest of the penis. removing the foreskin is actually removing a boys ability to enjoy sex fully. it can also cause problems because cutting there can lead to infections, which is dangerous.

the rate of problems resulting from circumcision is much higher than the rate of problems from leaving a baby the way he was made i.e. intact.

women who claim to prefer circumcised men are totally ill-informed. one of the reasons so many american women experience sexual 'dryness' is that a circumcised penis causes more friction because the moving part of the penis has been removed, and this moving part ensures no less rubbing and more movement which will bring on easier orgasms, as well as keeping moisture in the vagina where is belongs.

furthermore, when it comes to giving your man oral, if they are circumcised it is so much harder for us, because all you can do is suck on it till they cum, whereas when they are intact, they can achieve orgasm from oral quite easily because that is where the nerve endings are --- particularly the frenulum is like a male g-spot, so if you stimulate it, they get a lot of pleasure.

i think women who think circumcision is ok are sadistically wishing to deprive men of pleasure.

why do american women think that circumcising girls is barbaric, but not circumcising boys? it is the same thing -- removing parts that give sexual pleasure, for no good reason.

do your research -- in canada, a study was done to see which circumcision methods were the least painful for babies (obviously only if the parents wanted circumcision). the study was stopped without reaching any conclusion because the doctors were traumatised by the pain they witnessed -- this was even with numbing pain killers, and trying various contraptions that supposedly were meant to make the procedure much simpler.

you should also ask yourself why, since numbers being circumcised in the US are dropping, now they've suddenly started pushing it in Africa as an AIDS preventative (even tho in cultures that circumcise in Africa there are plenty of men dying of AIDS) ... the answer is that it is big business -- if they aren't making the profits they want in the US they are now moving on to Africa to try profit off Africans instead -- while claiming that the studies show it prevents AIDS (noting that the studies were done by people who believe in circumcision and want a justification for it).

there is absolutely no justification for circumcising a child, and it is a question of human rights. we should not be doing unnecessary procedures on our children. thousands of boys die every year as a result of circumcision, and no one dies because of remaining intact (although something like 0.01% do have problems with the foreskin not retracting -- which can be easily fixed without circumcising). phimosis is an extremely uncommon problem.

it should be your son's decision to circumcise if they want to do it, but not yours!




im sorry but i totally disagree with you! youve obviously never had a circumcised lover!! ive had both, my husband is circumcised and giving him oral is 1000 times better than uncircumcised- it tastes so much nicer and doesnt have any odour to it which sum uncircumcised do. when we had our son i was against circumcising him but i went ahead with my husbands wishes and im so glad i did, my son was starting to get an infection- he was 2 weeks old. it was not barbaric at all!! he didnt even cry. he had the bell ring and it fell off within a week. he is now 8 months old and is as happy and contented as ever- i totally believe he knows nothing about it!! 2 of my friends had to  be circumcised when they were in their early teens due to there foreskin not retracting and causing pain when urinating after the procedure they were in serious pain for weeks. if u can prevent this why wouldnt you?????? i stand by our decision 100% and if we had another boy i would do the same again.






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you keep mentioning that circumcision is very rare and not done in most of Europe.....






Well, in America it is RARE to NOT Circumsize!!!  Why would I want my boys to grow up and be laughed at for how "weird" their penis looks by women, therefore making them insecure??






Don't you dare say that women who think circumcision O.k. are sadistic!!! I cried when BOTH my boys got theirs done, I don't recall anything funny or pleasurable about it! It was MY HUSBAND AND MY decision TOGETHER to get it done....Circumcision is a personal choice made by the parents and obviously if done it's irreversible, but there aren't many men who wish they weren't,  since it looks nasty (in many peoples opnions, women AND men) when it's not!!






Circumsized men still have intense orgasms and sexual pleasure without the foreskin! I never heard my husband complain!  Please, it's not like they got their clits cut off! It's USELESS skin, that looks gross, can cause infection and is a nuisance!  IT ain't YOUR choice what other Mothers AND fathers decide for their boys so get off it!!!






The people who are for circumcision don't need to state their reasons to YOU or anyone else, it's OUR opinion, not cause for your hatred! Why NOT get it done when the boys are too young to remember it? Instead of having them grow up to get it done when it's going to be a painful memory?? I say if you have reasons for it: then get it done right away, they aren't going to miss what they don't remember having!!!






As I said before, you stated your opinion, so drop it....





Actually, the current circumcision rate in the US is around 60% and falling .  That means that around 40% of the newer generation of this country is intact.  Therefore, being un-circumcised isn't rare at all, and it's getting more prevalent by the day.



Internationally, only 30% of men are circumcised, and most of them are Muslim or Jewish and being circumcised is part of their religion.  That's what I think Rebecca was eluding to in comparing the US to European countries where, as in most of the world, circumcision is not the norm.



So, I'm sorry that you find foreskin so disgusting.  It is indeed a pity not to be able to appreciate the human form as it was created.  Thankfully, your opinion is rare.

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Also afta having 2 sons in hospital no one mentioned circumcision so i presume its not the norm. Iv not known anyone in my life thats intact and had infection cos of it, inc my sons.

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I have 4 children 2 boys 2 girls, and the father of 1 of my daughters was circumcised in England tho he had lived most of his life in America. He was done at 19 years old cos he had plenty and his foreskin had ripped 4 the 2nd time during sex! Doc said it would keep happening so he had it done.As he was 19 it was very sensitive and as it was now exposed he got erections which was painful and scarred it.He knows the difference as he was sexually active b4 and cicumcising it desensitises it. I think its barbaric and primitive and would never put my own son thro it.Also a muslim friend did her son when we lived in same house and he cried so much.Urine on open wounds not nice or necessary!!

Erin - posted on 02/18/2009

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i am for the procedure, but on the other hand i feel boys should look like their daddys do. there is no medical reasons to keep the foreskin but later in life there could be the risk they may have to be circumsized . also it may or may not be but i had my boys done because i felt it was more sanitary ...it is totally a personal decision . and if it puts you at ease my one baby slept through it and the one just chilled out and enjoyed the nurse amusing him. it was a lot better than i expected it to be

Nancy - posted on 02/18/2009

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I've heard it said you should do it if the father is.... dunno why, but yeah. My son is circumsized and we have had no problems. I felt super guilty when we took him in though, lol. My husband is not circumsized but he's been talking about going to get it done! dunno about that one!

Wendy - posted on 02/18/2009

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I feel strongly on this procedure - I find it far overused in America - and why?  As far as I can see some misconstrued belief that it's cleaner - either that or so baby looks like Daddy.  No other reason.  I live in the UK and boys are only circumsized for medical or religious reasons only.  My husband was circumsized when he was four for medical reasons, but we didn't consider it for our two sons because it's not something we think about in the UK when having a baby!  Would you circumsize your daughter?  Think about it.  It is not cleaner at all.  Boys can learn to clean themselves - much like learning to wash your face or clean your teeth.  It's a painful and unnecessary procedure.  Why is it so widespread in the US?  I have no idea.  Why doesn't the rest of the western world caught on if it is so beneficial to the male?  It's a strange thing to have taken off in such a way in the US.  And why oh why would you do it simply because you 'don't want them to get teased at school'??  Lets just clone our kids, make them all look the same, dress them the same - just so they hopefully don't get 'teased'! 



Sorry - didn't want to sound harsh, but I think all medical procedures should be done because they are necessary and not just for appearences sake.  We have evolved to this for a reason.



Good luck with your decision, I hope it's the right one for you and your son.

Jacquelyn - posted on 02/18/2009

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I had my son circumcised at 2 weeks and he was fine he barely cried he also had a tongue tie sniped the same day and I would say that was worse then the circumcision. But it all am matter of a opinion.

Kylie - posted on 02/18/2009

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Here in Australia you can claim on circumcision, bonus. It is a fairly common practice here. I think in this day and age we need to think of the future. Do you still have your kids immunized even though you know it's going to hurt a little and may carry a fever for a couple of days????? You do this for their future health and comfort.....Yes! In a lot of ways it is the same as circumcision, you could not get it done and hope for the best (lots of people do it). There are so many wars out there and our young men are sent out to not the most cleanest hygienic places where they do not shower or clean for days or more, I mean honestly mummy can't call to see if they are cleaning their winky! We don't not immunize our kids and hope for the best!!!! As a parent I want to do everything within my power to ensure my kids health and safety. so now I just hope they don't have to go to war, but I know I have done my best for their health.

Leslie - posted on 02/18/2009

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Why would you put your newborn through so much pain?? So he can have a "normal" looking penis when he grows up? So it can be easier to clean?? My son is 9 and he is not cirumsized, and he's never had any problems with infections. As long as you teach your child the proper way to clean himself when he gets older than you should have no problems whatsoever.

Shannon - posted on 02/18/2009

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its definately a matter of opinion.. i didnt have my son crcumsized and i didnt have any problems.. my doctor actually talked me out of it.. he said we are the only country who circumsizes boys and the only reason people do it is because it looks more appealing..

Toni - posted on 02/18/2009

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wow, you have a lot of responses!!!



Ok my very strong view on this issues is to get it done!



My oldest son didn't have it done when he was a baby, but when he was 3 he didn't even have room for pee to pass normally through the forskin. So he did see a Urologist, and he needed to be circumsized.

He got cicumsized at 3 and a half, and let me tell you it was the worst thing to have to watch your child go through. When your husband and yourself have to hold him down to change his bandage and he doesn't want to walk or go on the potty because it will hurt!So he is wtting his pants b/c of the fear of pain. This went on for a week, then he bleed because of friction that he wasn't use to.

We had 2 more sons, and needless to say we had had them cicumsized, yes we paided for it, more than 100, but worth it. Then got done the day that I took them home and were prefectly fine, bearly cried. Never fuzzed at diaper changes, so just put a little vasiline until it falls off( usually 10-14 days).



I also know of a man in his 50's that had to get it done, I just think that it is so not worth the worry of this happening at any time.

Sandra - posted on 02/18/2009

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It is your own personal choice to get circ.According to The show The Doctors .If you are not farmiliar with this show ,I would suggest it to you it supplies you with alot of benificial information,on all types of medical concerns.

Sandra - posted on 02/18/2009

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It is your own personal choice to get circ.According to The show The Doctors .If you are not farmiliar with this show ,I would suggest it to you it supplies you with alot of benificial information,on all types of medical concerns.

Bj - posted on 02/18/2009

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YES Do My husband was just circumsized at age 51 and was not happy with his MOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peggy - posted on 02/18/2009

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I think you should have your husband speak with a doctor.  The few men I have known who were not circumcised said that they regretted that their parents did not have them circumcised because of all the problems it created down the road.  Boy's who are not circumcised do not get infections and it is much easier to keep clean.  Once an infection sets in on children and adults who are not circumcised, it is very painful to have to pull down the skin and clean - OUCH! 

Michelle - posted on 02/18/2009

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Since this is just an opinion thing, I let my husband make the decision, which was to have our son circumsized, which is good b/c that is what I wanted as well...I am not a man so I cant pretend to understand the feelings that go along with it. As a mother, I personally went into the room with my son and held his hand and whispered into his ear during the procedure. I understand people thinking it is cruel and the intial pain shot did obviously seem painful for my son, but I was not going to let my son do it alone.



As with everything, I recommend talking, talking talking until you reach a compromise you can both live with!

Kristina - posted on 02/18/2009

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Hello! When I had my boy last year we decided to get him circumsized in the hospital. A month later the foreskin grew back. I went to a urologist and he suggested that if you are going to get a child circumsized, to get it done by a specialist - not by a gyneocologist! I am on the fence on whether we are going to get it redone or not. The procedure to get it redone would include putting my son under anesthesia and surgically cutting the foreskin, rather then using whatever device they used at the hospital.



 



It's a tough decision as a mom! You don't want to see your child hurt, but also don't want to see their feelings get hurt when they are a teenager!

Holly - posted on 02/18/2009

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I also think circumsision is a personal choice. We have 2 boys and have circumsized them. Our 2 big reasons were - 1) my husband grew up in a boarding school for 6 years. The boys who had problems, (infections . . .) were the ones who weren't circumsized. Those who were never did. Not all uncircumsized boys had problems but that was his observation. The second was about 3 years ago a study came out linking cervical cancer with uncircumsized males. Women whose partners were uncircumcized had a fairly significant higher rate of cervical cancer. Now this is only 1 study so I would check into it more. The last thing was that my husband was circumcized and thought having his boys look like him he thought was important for questions down the road.

Again, I think this a personal choice but for me, I heard to many horror stories of boys having to get circumcized later on. I just figured better now than later. Hope that helps.

Catherine - posted on 02/18/2009

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Well, my husband was not circumsized but at the age of 13 he had to be..........The problem was the the skin closed up and he was unable to pee, the other good reason is it can be very hard to keep it clean when the become older. I would go for it. I wouldn't want to have it done at 13 OMG. Good luck

Angie - posted on 02/18/2009

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I have a son that is almost 16..he was circumsized..with working as a Nurses Aid, I do believe it is an important thing to have done..they are prone to more infections without being circumsized. It is everyone's own preference what they want for their son.. the best thing is to ask your physician. But I highly recomend it..

Ali - posted on 02/18/2009

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I just find it interesting that circumcision is ONLY popular in America. Maybe the rest of the world is on to something. :) 

Mandi - posted on 02/18/2009

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I am also from a medical back ground, and can assure you , just as the doctors have in this thread, that not circumsizing your child does not impose hygiene issues.  and, in response to Ms. Jones-Williston.....children adapt easily.  I have been a left leg amputee since 2 years of age.  I grew up with hideous scars on my hip and "stump" as well as the struggles that come along with having just one leg.  I looked different than my classmates and friends....and that taught me that I needed to make people see me for my heart and not for my appearance.  I had many friends, never faced "teasing" and such - I am now glad for my amputation.  I've learned a lot about myself and much more about others.  Looking "different" can be beneficial.

Mandi - posted on 02/18/2009

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My husband and I had this same dilema when I was pregnant for our son.  After many, many hours of research and countless documentaries we decided not to do it.  Contributing reasons being that it really isn't medically necessary and it is AWFUL how they do it.  I could never allow anyone to strap my baby to a back board and cut on his most sensitive parts without using anesthetic.  No way.  Watch a documntary or two of how a circumcision is performed.  If my son decides later in life that he would like to have this procedure done we will.  Until then I will not be making that decision for him.

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I have a 9 1/2 year old boy and he is "whole". We have never had a problem with infection. After researching the topic before he was born, it was very clear to me that circumcision is genital mutilation and totally barbaric.  Would you consider snipping away the skin that grows over a baby girl's clitoris (or your own)?  It is essentially the same thing.  That skin grows there for a reason.  It is not more "hygenic" to slice it off.



Most boys now are not circumcised, so if you are worried about him being "different" in the locker room, it is more likely that will happen with a circumcised boy.  He can always have it done as an adult if he feels like it is something he wants - quite more difficult to put it back on!



The book "Just say NO! to circumcision" has great historical information as well as scientific information about this practice.  Often it was done because doctors of the time believed it would prevent masterbation!

Cathy - posted on 02/18/2009

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I have 2 boys, ages 7 and 3, neither one was circumsized, and we've had no problems thus far.  It's definitely a personal choice, but my doctor assured me that it is a totally unnecessary and painful procedure at any age, and as long as you teach your son to pull the skin back in the bathtub and wash properly, around age 3 or 4, he'll have no problems. 

Christine - posted on 02/18/2009

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Quoting Melissa:



sorry, had to correct here... it is surgery.  Just like removing a mole from someone's body is also surgery.  As a general rule, a procedure is considered surgical when it involves cutting of a patient's tissues or closure of a previously sustained wound.






Hence why the majority of insurance companies will not cover the costs of circumsision. It is considered a cosmetic surgery

Cindy - posted on 02/18/2009

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I've only had the one boy, and we had him done, but I cried during the whole thing cause I could hear him cry! all the way down the hall, then I started sobbing, how could I do this to my poor helpless baby boy, well now 3o odd yrs later I'm glad I did!! one of my friends didn't get both her sons done, infection after infection set in repeatadly, that had to hurt way more than the 2 min of pain right after birth, that alone has to be very distressing, Birth.

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I am an RN who assists with circumcisions. I also have a 5 year old son. I did not want him circ'd when he was born but his father did.. So he was. I cried the entire time, but he was fine and I have no regrets. I see the procedure done quite often and most pediatricians will now use a local numbing agent. And as this baby's mother, you have EVERY right to ask the doctor to numb the baby first. I'll admit I tend to think its a little barbaric but I have never seen a baby do more than whimper during the surgery (and that is more because they do not like to be restrained) and as for them "turning purple with pain" someone has their facts wrong. I have NEVER seen it happen. Also, as for having issues with the penis sticking to the "nappy" thats what petroleum jelly is for. A good size dollop with every diaper change works great. I completely agree with everyone who said that this is a personal decision, because it is. It is medically unnecessary according to most doctors. However, it is much more painful (and memorable) to have done later in life. There are pro's and con's on both sides of this issue. I recommend you do lots of research and ask the opinion of your pediatrician on this one. But ultimately its a decision you and your husband have to make for yourselves and your son. Beware of what you take away from the internet. Not everything is factual and people tend to like telling their horror stories to scare people into doing what they would do. Good Luck! And Congrats on your baby boy!

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Oh, and just to add...we've had no problems with my son (almost 9 months old). Cleaning him after diaper changes is no problem. You just wipe over it. No retracting, no nothing. It'll retract when it's ready.

My biggest problem has been arguing with other people about my decision. At least once a day in the hospital they asked if I wanted him cut, even though I'd written "NO CIRC" on every paper, underlined it, and told everyone within hearing range. I still worry since so many people are anti-foreskin that he will not be properly taken care of when he's away from me. I leave very clear instructions at daycare not to retract him and I tell anyone who might be changing his diaper. We also found a ped who is supportive of not circ'ing so that they don't retract during exams (you'd be surprised how many US docs are not well educated about this) and so that if we do find an infection, the first/only option to be brought up isn't "cut it off."

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Before we even knew we were having a son, we knew there was no way we'd circ'. In the vast majority of cases, there is no medical reason to do it. (Granted, there are some cases of legit medical necessity, but that is truly a minority.) I think many urologists & peds in the US are quick to blame every issue on a boy not being circ'd and then say we'll just circ' to solve the problem. Why might this be? Well, they do get paid to do the procedure and then it minimizes the follow-up. So they don't have to deal with you or prescribe treatment they don't get paid for or take the time to have conversations about (potentially) uncomfortable topics like genital hygiene if they just cut it off. Also, many peds are of the "make it easier on parents/parents are too dumb to follow instructions" mindset (this is the same reasoning behind why some of them jump to antibiotic injections rather than oral treatments for many infections).

I just don't feel it's right to make a cosmetic modification to my son's body without his consent. As to the HIV argument, using condoms, getting tested, and limiting partners does far more to reduce risk than circumcision. Similarly, practicing good hygiene will help limit infection risk for female partners he may have.

Tammy - posted on 02/18/2009

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There really is no medical reason to go through with it. I did a lot of research before I had my son. What it boiled down to me, is knowing that the practice is still very popular and kids can be cruel. I didn't want him to be teased when he's in school for being different. It was my choice to save that (admittedly "possible") hurt from him. I trusted the doctor that did the procedure with my life, and his, and it was over and healed in no time. She told me that he didn't even really wake up, much less cry!

Kimberly - posted on 02/18/2009

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I have 5 boys.  None of which are circumcized.  My oldest is 11 and my youngest is 18 months.  Not once have any of my boys EVER had an infection.  Would you trim a girls labia just cause she got a yeast infection? I highly doubt that.



Did you know that women used to be curcumzied?  They don't do that anymore.  Circumzistion is personal choice.  Originally it was done because of Religion, way back in the day.  Said to make women and men be less promiscuss, because it descentizes the penis and clitoris, therefore no sins.



They say it's cleaner. But if you bathe properly and teach your child to pay special attention to cleaning his private spaces, then you shouldn't have a problem.  Most infection in boys are caused by foreign objects. Sand dirt, ETC.  Proper hygiene is everything when it comes to anything.



I live in alberta canada and what used to be a free procedure covered by healthcare is now billed.  My last child, the price was $375.00 for circumzision.  Believe me if curcumzision was such a good thing and not personal choice, then you wouldn't be billed for it.  I'm not a religious person by all means, but be honest with yourself, if god didn't want it there, it wouldn't be there!  Would you cut off your clitorous, just cause someone said it was better????

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I am not a fan of circumcision, the idea that it is more hygenic is BS. My husband is not circumsized, and he has never had any problems with infection or hygene. If you are cleaning your baby properly, and changing their diaper when needed you shouldn't have a problem. I view circumcision as mutilation, and there are a lot of cases out there where infants have had severe problems due to botched circumcision. i say do your reasearch before you snip the tip.

Kimberly - posted on 02/18/2009

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I have 5 boys.  None of which are circumcized.  My oldest is 11 and my youngest is 18 months.  Not once have any of my boys EVER had an infection.  Would you trim a girls labia just cause she got a yeast infection? I highly doubt that.



Did you know that women used to be curcumzied?  They don't do that anymore.  Circumzistion is personal choice.  Originally it was done because of Religion, way back in the day.  Said to make women and men be less promiscuss, because it descentizes the penis and clitoris, therefore no sins.



They say it's cleaner. But if you bathe properly and teach your child to pay special attention to cleaning his private spaces, then you shouldn't have a problem.  Most infection in boys are caused by foreign objects. Sand dirt, ETC.  Proper hygiene is everything when it comes to anything.



I live in alberta canada and what used to be a free procedure covered by healthcare is now billed.  My last child, the price was $375.00 for circumzision.  Believe me if curcumzision was such a good thing and not personal choice, then you wouldn't be billed for it.  I'm not a religious person by all means, but be honest with yourself, if god didn't want it there, it wouldn't be there!  Would you cut off your clitorous, just cause someone said it was better????

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In other countries the foreskin is cut off because they believe sex is for making children so girls get the clitoris cut off and boys get the foreskin cut off.



I believe getting it done is a social thing. I was once told by a friend that "an uncir penis is ugly" and I had to respond with the fact I have never found any penis to be pretty.. So with that said I did not get either of my sons circ. I also believe its not my body to say wether or not it should be done as its not an emergency or life threatening  decision.. when they are older and if so choose then I will gladly pay for it.. pain at an older age?? well having a baby isnt pain free.. guess we all make decisions based on our personal preference.



My older son 11 has never had a problem and my newest son 7 wks no problems.

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Quoting Rebecca:

in most european countries circumcision is extremely uncommon and there boys do not have 'hygiene' problems --- this is complete nonsense.

the foreskin is the most sensitive part of the sexual region, with more nerve endings in the foreskin than the rest of the penis. removing the foreskin is actually removing a boys ability to enjoy sex fully. it can also cause problems because cutting there can lead to infections, which is dangerous.

the rate of problems resulting from circumcision is much higher than the rate of problems from leaving a baby the way he was made i.e. intact.

women who claim to prefer circumcised men are totally ill-informed. one of the reasons so many american women experience sexual 'dryness' is that a circumcised penis causes more friction because the moving part of the penis has been removed, and this moving part ensures no less rubbing and more movement which will bring on easier orgasms, as well as keeping moisture in the vagina where is belongs.

furthermore, when it comes to giving your man oral, if they are circumcised it is so much harder for us, because all you can do is suck on it till they cum, whereas when they are intact, they can achieve orgasm from oral quite easily because that is where the nerve endings are --- particularly the frenulum is like a male g-spot, so if you stimulate it, they get a lot of pleasure.

i think women who think circumcision is ok are sadistically wishing to deprive men of pleasure.

why do american women think that circumcising girls is barbaric, but not circumcising boys? it is the same thing -- removing parts that give sexual pleasure, for no good reason.

do your research -- in canada, a study was done to see which circumcision methods were the least painful for babies (obviously only if the parents wanted circumcision). the study was stopped without reaching any conclusion because the doctors were traumatised by the pain they witnessed -- this was even with numbing pain killers, and trying various contraptions that supposedly were meant to make the procedure much simpler.

you should also ask yourself why, since numbers being circumcised in the US are dropping, now they've suddenly started pushing it in Africa as an AIDS preventative (even tho in cultures that circumcise in Africa there are plenty of men dying of AIDS) ... the answer is that it is big business -- if they aren't making the profits they want in the US they are now moving on to Africa to try profit off Africans instead -- while claiming that the studies show it prevents AIDS (noting that the studies were done by people who believe in circumcision and want a justification for it).

there is absolutely no justification for circumcising a child, and it is a question of human rights. we should not be doing unnecessary procedures on our children. thousands of boys die every year as a result of circumcision, and no one dies because of remaining intact (although something like 0.01% do have problems with the foreskin not retracting -- which can be easily fixed without circumcising). phimosis is an extremely uncommon problem.

it should be your son's decision to circumcise if they want to do it, but not yours!



im sorry but i totally disagree with you! youve obviously never had a circumcised lover!! ive had both, my husband is circumcised and giving him oral is 1000 times better than uncircumcised- it tastes so much nicer and doesnt have any odour to it which sum uncircumcised do. when we had our son i was against circumcising him but i went ahead with my husbands wishes and im so glad i did, my son was starting to get an infection- he was 2 weeks old. it was not barbaric at all!! he didnt even cry. he had the bell ring and it fell off within a week. he is now 8 months old and is as happy and contented as ever- i totally believe he knows nothing about it!! 2 of my friends had to  be circumcised when they were in their early teens due to there foreskin not retracting and causing pain when urinating after the procedure they were in serious pain for weeks. if u can prevent this why wouldnt you?????? i stand by our decision 100% and if we had another boy i would do the same again.



Rebecca,



you keep mentioning that circumcision is very rare and not done in most of Europe.....



Well, in America it is RARE to NOT Circumsize!!!  Why would I want my boys to grow up and be laughed at for how "weird" their penis looks by women, therefore making them insecure??



Don't you dare say that women who think circumcision O.k. are sadistic!!! I cried when BOTH my boys got theirs done, I don't recall anything funny or pleasurable about it! It was MY HUSBAND AND MY decision TOGETHER to get it done....Circumcision is a personal choice made by the parents and obviously if done it's irreversible, but there aren't many men who wish they weren't,  since it looks nasty (in many peoples opnions, women AND men) when it's not!!



Circumsized men still have intense orgasms and sexual pleasure without the foreskin! I never heard my husband complain!  Please, it's not like they got their clits cut off! It's USELESS skin, that looks gross, can cause infection and is a nuisance!  IT ain't YOUR choice what other Mothers AND fathers decide for their boys so get off it!!!



The people who are for circumcision don't need to state their reasons to YOU or anyone else, it's OUR opinion, not cause for your hatred! Why NOT get it done when the boys are too young to remember it? Instead of having them grow up to get it done when it's going to be a painful memory?? I say if you have reasons for it: then get it done right away, they aren't going to miss what they don't remember having!!!



As I said before, you stated your opinion, so drop it....

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My husband and 2 sons are not circumsized and I think personally it is how you feel on having to pull the foreskin back to clean your child.  Some people are not comfortable about doing this.  You also need to take in consideration on who will be watching your son and how they feel about pulling the foreskin back.  Everyone's opinions need to be expressed and once you have researched everything possible then and only then should you make your decision.  My sons are 7 and 4 and have never had any problems nor has my husband who is 29 and his brother who is 32 and my father in law which is 56.  I was a little leary on not having my boys circumsized but then thought if my boys saw my husband naked for some reason and then looked back at themselves and saw that theirs was different how would they react.  Also take is consideration if your husband is circumsized or not becuase he is the guy and will most likely talk to him about the guy stuff anyways. Hope this helps.

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Quoting Amanda:

Well I am the mother of two small boys 2 & 6 and I also have a 9 year old daughter. Neither of my sons are circumsized. It is no longer recommended, it is a cosmetic choice. There is no medical reasons for the circumsizion. It is also not covered by an insurances because it is cosmetic. The decision should be between you and your husband, but remember that there really is no purpose for the procedure other than looks. My boys have had no problems with not being circumsized...and it also prevents any urinary tract infections because the fore skin acts as a guard to infection and it doesn't need to be cleaned out until they are around three because the skin is still attached on the inside so you just wipe gently...with out pulling back the skin. It is merely a choice on which you prefer. good luck with your decision.



It actually is covered by most insurance if you do it before you leave the hospital.  It is still recommended by a lot of Dr.s and if you live in a city area most hospitals assume you are going to do it. 

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Think about gym class in junior high, and then circumsize. Just think about the amount of teasing he will recieve if he is the only one not circumsized. I had a friend who got it done the summer between moving (9th grade) for just that reason. Kids are cruel. Don't let your son be the victim. It's all well and good to say its a choice, until your kid is the one in the showers being made fun of. Seriously.

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Quoting Rebecca:

Urologists in the US are the first kind of doctors to prescribe circumcision for all sorts of things -- that does not convince me. I have been around the block with men and circumcised men have a MUCH harder time achieving orgasm because all they can do is pound you (very uncomfortable IMO) to achieve orgasm, because the sensitive tissue where the nerve endings are has been removed.

And even if a doctor prescribes something, different doctors will say different things. If you had seen a European doctor it is HIGHLY unlikely that they would say this was the reason.

Furthermore, there is absolutely NO WAY an adult male could have more pain than a baby because we get less sensitive with age, not more sensitive. So if your husband found it painful when he knew what was happening and could express his pain, then imagine how painful it is for a baby.

If you don't want to argue, then just stop. End of story.

You don't need to be doctor to read up on research done by medical doctors which shows that this is a completely unnecessary procedure in all but 0.01% of cases. You also don't need to be a doctor to read up on how the penis functions and thereby understand the purpose of the foreskin.

You are not a medical doctor either, so maybe you should not give an opinion either --!! if that is your criteria.


Rebecca, get a life, and get some facts!!



When my son was born, we were sent to a urologist to clear us for his circumsision (YEAH, I GOT BOTH MY BOYS CIRCUMSIZED, so sue me!), and he tried to pursuad us to not get it done....hmmm doesn't sound as if he was "prescribing" it to me.....go find a message board somewhere to have your beastly arguements....this is not the place for your agression...she asked for opinions and advice, not a lecture. You stated your opinion LOUDLY, so move on.



Shana: good luck, it's up to you and your husband...my decision was to get circumcision for religious/social and hygene reasons, both my boys are fine, had no trouble, but I don't knock anyone for their choice on the matter, he will be fine either way :)

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Dads usually have a problem with it because they "feel their pain" try explaining to your husband that they dont understand pain at this age. My brother in law actually was not circumsized and he chose to be at 13.. and that is called pain. My baby boy didnt cry at all. I guess he peed and pooped on the doc tho

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In reading all the responses to your question, I've summed it up to this. Whichever of you feel more strongly about their wishes is who will prevail. I had my son circumsized and would do it again if I had another son. It is cleaner and I do know of a man (older man) that had to go through the procedure for medical reasons. It is much easier on them to have it done right away. This man did have a difficult time over not being circumsized. I would say that if there are no religious reasons to not do, then I would do it and not have the worries over later problems. Definitely make sure the person doing it has already done many and knows what they are doing. Don't be afraid to have a certain Dr do it...they usually do not harbor hurt feelings if you feel more comfortable with someone else. Best wishes and congrats on your new baby!

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I have a son and decided against circumsision for my own reasons, but my suggestion is research it, and make sure anything you read is from after 2005. The more recent the study the more accurate the information. I could spew off facts and stats to you about why it is not necessary, but you will probably benifit more from reading it right from a reliable source. Good luck with your decision.

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I have a son and decided against circumsision for my own reasons, but my suggestion is research it, and make sure anything you read is from after 2005. The more recent the study the more accurate the information. I could spew off facts and stats to you about why it is not necessary, but you will probably benifit more from reading it right from a reliable source. Good luck with your decision.

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Quoting Lorraine:



My children's pediatrician had a good answer for this when i was questioning this same topic almost 7 years ago. She said it is a good idea to have the child as his father is. So, if your husband is then you should have your son circumcized.  If he is not then don't. If their is a difference your son may wonder why dad is different than him. I know for me personally it was a hard decision.  But I took my Dr.' s advice. And I survived it and Daddy survived it. GOOD LUCK!





My husband is and my boys are not, nore do they have the same hair color, I dont feel that it is really a big issue, my husband is and his two brothers are not, there was never an issue and they grew up together and If there is a worry about the locker room then if other boys are checking him out I give him permission to deck them...

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Those that I read did not give you one reason why they opted not to do it.  I'm a woman in my mid thirties and I have been around, I know people who had it done, I know some that didn't. Those that didn't have their boys circumsized told me the only reason why was due to there sex life when they get older, it makes them more sensitive. To me thats not a good enough reason. I have friends that knew this 60 year old man who was not and ended up getting circumsized at 60 due to a serious infection. Wouldn't that suck!  It's not about the mother keeping it clean although it helps, and it's not about there sex life, as far as infection goes-you never know.






If you had read more in depth you would see that most of the mothers reasons for opting out were clearly stated, because there is no medical need. Aside from cultural reasons, the most common reason on here to have it done is to prevent infections. It has already been stated that the AAP doesn't even agree with that anymore.



You said it is not a good enough reason to you to consider how their sex life would be affected when they are older. But hearing about a friend who has this friend who knew a guy who got an infection when he was older, is reason enough???

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Personally, I wouldn't put that much thought into it. It's done while they are brand new and they won't remember a thing. The doctors perform this procedure everyday. I hear more horror stories of kids that have not been circumsized and eventually have to do it later when they are older and go through a lot more pain than the incidents of a botched procedure after birth. To me, that seems more barberic and I would feel horrible as a mother that I would've put my son through that when he was older. I have a son that I had circumsized and I've had no issues. Unless it's a culture thing, than I say do it. As far as your husband goes, he's entitled to his opinion, but is it because he really doesn't think it's necessary or does he just cringe at the thought of anyone going near that area with snippers?!

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I have two boys which are not circumcised, I have never had a problem with it and I will always say do not circumcise, I did much research on it and found out that when they cut a boy they are removing over 3000 nerve endings. I do not think it helps the boy at all.

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