
Kate CP - posted on 03/16/2010 ( 75 moms have responded )
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Okay, here it is ladies:
Do vaccines cause Autism?
Do you vaccinate your kids?
Were/are you vaccinated?
Why don't you vaccinate your kids?
And so on and so forth. KEEP THIS THREAD CIVIL OR I WILL SHUT IT DOWN BEFORE YOU CAN SAY "THIS'LL JUST FEEL LIKE A LITTLE PINCH..."
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Shezz - posted on 03/18/2010
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I recieved the rubella injection at school, since then my muscles have been sluggish, and ive been overtired, poor concentration etc. I also have shooting pains in the right side of my face on different days... based on this, and the ex's side of the familíes views on vaccination etc, we decided not to vaccinate. We have it on video where we said no and the doctors vaccinated her anyway- this is a criminal offence, and the appropriate person has been charged. Also to the woman who said people who do not vaccinate a) do not research and b) are putting your child at harm -this is supposed to be civil thread! I have read over 6 books cover to cover, read various medical journal entries regarding the topic and am studying immunology as a result of my experience with this. I do not believe one vaccine is right for everyone, I also believe weight should reflect the amount of vaccine you do get. I know in Australia, the advertising was for a anit cancer vaccine aimed towards women up to 26 years of age as being paid for free under the medicare system. Its not anti cancer- its aim is to prevent the Human Papiloma Virus. When my dr insisted i get this jab, I asked for a test to see if I already had HPV, the dr refused, stating ''do you know how much time effort and money we would waste if we screened everyone before giving them the needle?'' We are not lab rats, and I will not have someone else who can not be bothered to do their job correctly administer things into my body. Also want to note that the govt did not fund this, they reached an agreement with the Australian Government to administer the shot for free for up to two years.
All I am saying, is aren't I entitled to seek a test for HPV before being jabbed for immunity against this diseease? For those who don't know it is believed there is a link between HPV and pre cancerous cells. To me, it is common sense.
Also when discussing immunisation with my family doctor, I did ask for the doctor to specify to me which vaccines she was administring, she couldn't tell me what each one of them was for, only that my daughter required to needles which in effect had 9 vaccines in thm... and she wanted to vaccinate my 8 week old against dioehrea- however u spell it and vomiting- when I questioned this, she told me that if my daughter ever got gastro she would die. Not she would need hospitilasation...she would DIE. Now to me, the vomiting etc is a result of your body doing its best to get a bug out of your system, I don't know how great it would be to try to suppress that system?
I was vaccinated as a child. I am concerned VERY concerned about the welfare of my child, I do not take this lightly at all. This has been the most stressful topic. What if I vaccinate and my child has the virus that can cause autism if you vaccinate at the same time? What if she ends up with facial nerves like mine and tired and painful muscles? What if I don't vaccinate and she gets meningicocal howeve ru spell it and she gets brain damage? What if I vaccinate and she gets swelling of the brain and is injured that way???
I also worked in medical industry and it was mandatory to be vaccinated against the flu, well everyone in that office, apart from three of us who did not vaccinate, where sick, I mean really sick. Instead of taking these stats on board- we were all told, that the flu must have been present beforehand. Instead of looking at what other people say, I prefer to trust what I see.
For those who state unvaccinated kids cause your children harm- vaccines are there to protect your children from those said viruses arent they? If you doubt your childs susceptability to a virus- why blame children who are unvaccinated rahter then the vaccine not performing? I gaurantee you, vaccinated children have far more oppy and far more money for parents and kickbacks medically then unvaccinated, so by eluding that unvaccinated children are raised by lazy hicks (lol) please understand it would be far easier if it were our intention to be lazy- to vaccinate when drs tell us, to collect our 300 payment from the govt as opposed to filling out medical forms, and entering this debate with every medical worker, childcare provider, internet chat site, and other parents. It would be far easier for us to do as we are told, and something we could possibly gain great benefit from. I asked the doctor if she would write me a guanrantee that nothing bad would happen to my child if I vaccinated her, like the dr wanted, she would not do that, based on statistics of injury that she was privvy to.
I have asked people from both sides of the debate to help me understand better, and educate me better in terms of correct information, for both vaccinating etc, but to date, I have been given one govt hand out, three times by three different doctors. In each case, I was not allowed to take the booklet home to read at my own leisure.
I'm sorry for the long post. I am not out to offend anyone, just state that people who do not vaccinate should not be labelled as lazy etc as it is quite the opposite! It is just as scarey for us aswell. And a choice of playing roulette with vaccines or with life.
User - posted on 03/17/2010
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My son had a reaction to his MMR vaccine and became disabled. Not Austism but physically an challenged mentally challenged. He saw a Geneticist and was tested for every possible genetic disorder. It all came back to the vaccine. He died when he was 6 1/2. Child #2 was close in age so received her vaccines as scheduled. By the time child #3 was born I had done years of research. She did get all of her vaccines but I spread them out. In fact I had her MMR vaccines split into three different shots also. What's ironic is people would comment and say they couldn't believe I would make her suffer through extra shots by splitting them up and I say that I would rather her feel a pinch from a vaccine needle as opposed to her becoming disabled and possibly dying. Like I would ever want to go through what I went through with my son again. As for the Autism and vaccine connection I feel like there is something that stays dormant in most people and the vaccine triggers the reaction. It's almost like the study of women who get MS after being pregnant. They say the pregnancy hormones can trigger the MS gene in some people. Since there are so many unknowns I think parents need to be informed and know that they can be a safer way to have kids vaccinated. Giving 3 - 4 vaccines to an infant at one time may not be the best possible way to do it.
Iridescent - posted on 03/16/2010
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Lol! I think my views are pretty clear.
1 - I have one child with definite autism, one with probable autism. They had symptoms well before ANY vaccines, even at birth. For my children, they had no effect. There is proof they can cause autism in a child with a mitochondrial disease, PLUS a viral infection at the same time as the vaccines (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirb...). As myself and at least one of my children have a mitochondrial disease, we have to be especially certain they are not ill when getting vaccinated.
2 - yes, I vaccinate all my children. One is on a delayed schedule with only one shot at a time, due to her mitochondrial disease. The rest are on typical schedules.
3 - Yes I was and I continue to get vaccines. The only exception to this was the H1N1 as I had no access to it, then learned more and was not comfortable with it, then found out the virus mutated and it wasn't nearly as effective as it was touted to be. We do vaccines we know work, not theoretical based vaccines. Why vaccinate yourself for a disease the CDC "thinks" might exist next year? Influenza vaccines have a bit more value, as it's for 3 types and usually 2 work.
4 - My daughter with delayed vaccines is due to her health. Because of her and other children like her, I'm actually all for a mandatory vaccine program for otherwise healthy children, because social immunity is no longer effective thanks to parents that think vaccines = evil and doing no real research. So they put my child at risk.
Katherine - posted on 03/16/2010
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Diane: You should not be afraid to say anything. Kate doesn't bite ;)
On another note, if you're going to state something PLEASE back it up!!!! In a debate it is opinion backed up with some degree of fact. Don't just say, "Vaccines do not cause autism." I have worked with many autistic children, MANY. In fact I have done research through my university. Statistically, in my research, vaccinations could be one of the triggers of autism.
Wendy - posted on 03/16/2010
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I am a nurse and I had the same fears as any parent about what was best for my kids. I have been to many CDC immunization conferences and those guys really do work hard to be sure what is put out there is safe and effective to prevent disease. There is NO scientific evidence that links vaccines to Autism - NONE. I know that there are those who will swear it is so, but there is no science to back it up. I was immunized as a child and after talking to my Pediatrician, decided to vaccinate my own kids. I figured when he quit vaccinating HIS kids, that's when I would too! I have also studied the diseases we are talking about preventing. They are horrible diseases! Most people think they don't exist in the USA anymore, but some are starting to make a comeback due to the fears about vaccination. Take for instance tetnus. Tetnus lives naturally as spores in soil. So when you garden and get stuck with a thorn, or step on a nail, or have some kind of puncture wound, it may let those spores into your body. If your immune system is overwhelmed by the spores, you get tetnus which will make the muscles of your body contract (that's why you get a sore arm) - sometimes so fiercely that it breaks bones. Now, which is worse? The pain of a shot or that? These diseases are not fictional. I would think long and hard about not vaccinating my child against anything I could prevent by a simple injection. What would you say to your child when they ask why you didn't and they got the disease? And again, when my Pediatrician no longer vaccinates HIS kids, then I will think again. Hope this helps.